Claudia von Boeselager (00:00)
So welcome to the Longevity and Lifestyle podcast, Dr. Rewire. It's such a pleasure to have you with us today.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (00:05)
Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. It's an honor to meet you and honor to be able to speak to you about this, the work that you do in the world. It's amazing.

Claudia von Boeselager (00:11)
Well, thank you. But no, I'm really excited to dig into what you do. As I mentioned to you, brain health is such an interesting area as my audience, of course, knows. Dr. Rewire and I met recently while both speaking at a conference in Dallas. And I was instantly fascinated by his work in emotional biohacking and brain rewiring, two things that just sound absolutely up my alley. And so I also took his brain DNA assessment and I can't wait to...

share and walk through some of that today to unpack what all of it means and how we can use neuroscience to upgrade mindset, health and longevity. Dr. Rewire, for those new to your world, what exactly is emotional biohacking and what led you to devote nearly three decades to mastering the mind-body connection?

Dr. Alok Trivedi (00:52)
I think it's when you understand that the, what I started to understand is that being in practice, working with patients day in and day out, physical practice, physical ailments, back pain, neck pain, shoulder pain, all these different ailments people had, you start to realize there has to be another component. There had to be something else that was going on. And what I found over the years is that emotions was the key element. It was the one link factor that no one talks about. And as we look at the emotional states of an individual, we can determine their life, how they process life.

And emotions are, we, you know, for a long time, emotions were kind of dismissed, but the reality is that these emotions, we are emotional processing machines as humans. And if we don't know how to process these things, create chaos. So after I saw, you know, thousands of patients, I realized that the real link between all the people's ailments was their emotions. And so it set me on a quest to figure out how to process emotions, not the old traditional way with NLP, hypnosis, therapy. It was like, how can I get there faster, quicker?

Claudia von Boeselager (01:29)
Yeah.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (01:47)
And it led me down creating my Dr. Rewire protocols to be able to rewire people in minutes versus hours.

Claudia von Boeselager (01:53)
Very excited to dive in, but a few more questions first, just to catch people up onto what's coming. So you've coached everyone from Olympic athletes to Fortune 500 executives. What recurring mental patterns do you see holding even high performers back essentially in

Dr. Alok Trivedi (02:10)
Yeah, it's a good question. I said this earlier on a podcast actually today too, is that one of the key things that I found is that addicts and performers have the same protocols, same DNA protocols. Because addicts, they just don't know how to manage their emotions and it keeps them stuck. And where performers take that, but they're addicted to performance. There's still forms of addictions. They just don't realize that they're the same sympathetic neuro dominance that runs in their system, but they just channeled it differently.

So how we channel our nervous system, how we channel this DNA and these emotions really determines whether someone grows or doesn't and where they grow. And that's the point of choice and the element of choice that we play in this conversation.

Claudia von Boeselager (02:52)
of it. What inspired the actual creation of the brain DNA assessment and what are some key insights that it reveals?

Dr. Alok Trivedi (03:00)
You know, I think it was my own delusion. I think it was my own disassociations, my own chaos that created me to build this. Honestly, after working with over 700,000 people, I realized I started to see some patterns in people. Why were certain people a certain way and why were other people different? Why were certain people functioning in a certain facet and other people weren't? And what were the patterns? Why did some processes work easily for people and why did some people didn't? These are the questions I kept on asking myself, right? Like what makes everyone? And we keep saying that

Claudia von Boeselager (03:02)
Hehehe

Dr. Alok Trivedi (03:27)
Everyone is unique and different, but we train everyone the same mentally. It's kind of backwards if you really stop to think about it. And I saw that two people could have the same events, same experience at the same time and have completely different perspectives and completely different rationalities of their life. And I started to think about myself, I started saying, well, why is that? Why does someone have a different response? We want to say, well, they're just made different. God made us differently. I said, okay, great. If God made us differently, we know now today using science and understanding that

neurotransmitters control and behave and control how our emotions respond. We know this is a fact, right? Our emotions are neurochemical responses. And so if your neurochemical responses are a certain way, I started to ask the question, what if you just don't have the DNA to make that neurotransmitter? And if you don't may have the neuro DNA to make that neurotransmitter, you can't respond in that certain way. So for example, someone was gonna say, well,

Claudia von Boeselager (04:22)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (04:24)
They just don't have motivation. They're just lazy. They're just procrastinating. And I hear all this judgment that people have towards themselves. And I started to realize that where does that judgment come from? And then I thought, well, what if someone doesn't have the DNA to make dopamine? Are they going to be demotivated? Probably. Are they going to be sick? Probably. Are they going to then blame themselves, judge themselves, compare themselves to everyone around them?

That's going to create an emotional chaos and that's going to keep people stuck playing small, leading to different choices in their life versus realizing that, you know what? If I don't have that, now I know how to manage my life with that. remember I was, when I was studying physical therapy way back when I had a patient of mine, an Armenian guy, he'd lost his leg in the war. And I remember him very clearly in this. I've actually never told this story out loud, but it just triggered this for me to this conversation. He said to me,

I remember he lost his young guys, maybe in his And he said to me, I said, so how are you going to live? I was 16 years old doing my internship at the time. I didn't know any different. said, how are you going to, you know, how do you live? How do you do this? He goes, because you know what? You live with the cards you're given. And he goes, I will do the best with the cards that I'm given. Didn't think about it again until this very moment and started to think about it. But it was in the back of my mind. And I started to realize that you know what? Someone may be calling themselves depressed.

Claudia von Boeselager (05:31)
Why?

Dr. Alok Trivedi (05:42)
Someone may be calling themselves unnot motivated or procrastinating, judging themselves, but maybe they're not living the cards that they're given.

And that's what took me back to sit and say, I wonder if I could create a test, right? This is not a pathological test. This is not a, I'm not looking for psychosis. I'm not looking, I'm not qualified to look for those things, right? I'm not a neuroscientist, nor am I a geneticist. I was a guy who was a physical therapy student that went on to chiropractic that understood balance in the nervous system. And I said, I wonder if I can create a test that can look at the balance of our nervous system. And what I found is this, is that

When I look at seven major neurotransmitters, if you don't have them, you're going to lose what's called neuroflexibility. And if you don't have neuroflexibility, you can't adapt to life as easily. So someone who says, I don't have dopamine, I can't really get myself going as easily. I can't get myself motivated. So now I'm judging myself because I'm comparing myself to Claudia, who's doing all these amazing things in the world, but maybe that's not the way that I'm designed. And I need to learn how to live with my design.

and all of a sudden it started to pop that everyone is different. And what we have now is embarking on a world is of personalized consciousness and personalized transformation versus just these generic things we've been using for thousands of years.

Claudia von Boeselager (07:00)
I'm so excited to dig in as well. And I think on the one side, we say that our genes only make up so much of it. But I think what you're saying is that it's so empowering because when you understand yourself, then you can take the cards that you've been dealt to use your analogy and then optimize it for what you have and know that maybe in a certain way, you need to have a certain routine or do things in a particular way, whereas it's very easy for somebody else. But then other things are going to be easy for you that somebody else would have challenged with as well.

to really understand yourself and then maximizing what you can do with it, right?

Dr. Alok Trivedi (07:31)
I think so, right? think the old ancient proverbs have said it for thousands of years is right, know thyself. And this is a scientific lens to know thyself because ultimately what I found after all these people is that the number one problem to everyone's life is their judgment towards themselves. where you think you should be, where you think you should want to go. And everyone says it, we've heard it, know, quotes all this and we double heart them on Instagram and like, oh my God, that's so good. That's so good.

Claudia von Boeselager (07:36)
Yeah.

Hmm.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (07:56)
The truth is, is that what if you had a system to actually know your code and understand your performance type and understand how your brain operates? Then you don't have to judge yourself anymore. You can actually, here's the key of it all, because this is the ultimate healer is that you can actually love yourself.

And then when you can actually love yourself for being the way that you are, then it's all of a sudden, you don't have to beat yourself up. You don't have to go to bed at night say, I'm a human, you know, I'm a failure, I'm successful. It's, you're just living life. We're all living life. And so this code, this DNA test was designed to help people, create freedom from emotional judgment, but also to know exactly what you should do to optimize your specific system.

Claudia von Boeselager (08:34)
so one question though, what have been some of the most profound you have seen, awakenings, realizations that, you know, clients you've worked with have uncovered through taking this assessment and just the penny really dropping and like, I'm not broken, you know, I'm not damaged, but actually these are superpowers in there. Can you share?

Dr. Alok Trivedi (08:55)
Yeah, I think the most important one is probably the one that matters to me personally the most is my daughter. Right. My daughter is such an important component because my daughter is she's a unique 21 year old. She doesn't go out. She doesn't drink. She doesn't party. She's she's going to be a neuroscientist. So she's like, I don't do all that stuff. I don't want to do that stuff. does all the biohacking protocols. and she's she was 20 years old and she was doing all the training that I was doing. She was on the Stairmaster. She was doing two cardio. She was

cold plunging, was infrared saunaing, was doing, she was fasting, doing all the things that biohackers are supposed to do. But yet my little girl had gained almost 25 pounds, almost 30 pounds in this process. And I remember having a chat with her and I said, honey, what's going on? And she's like, dad, I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I'm literally doing everything that I'm supposed to do. Like I'm following everything healthy. said, are you

You are you sugars on the side or something? What's happening?" And she's like, dad, I'm telling you, I'm not. I said, okay. I said, let's go do the DNA test and let's see what it is. Cause we hadn't done it on her yet. I was like, well, you know, I never thought about it too. I said, let's do the, let's do the test and let's see what your body comes back with. And we did the test and once we got the test, we found out that everything she was doing for biohacking was exactly the opposite of what her body needed. And we're seeing this more and more.

Claudia von Boeselager (10:14)
Hmm. ⁓

Dr. Alok Trivedi (10:16)
in this biohacking world, biohacking community. It's like, everyone needs to be in a cold plunge every day. And you're a loser if you're not cold plunging every day for at least six minutes, for at least 32. We have this stupid culture out there that's more is better. It's not true. It's not true at all. Right? I'm in the sauna every day and I don't miss a beat. And I don't like, it's all this crap that's out there. Let's be human being again. Right? So I said, look, honey, what I want you to do is I want you to stop fasting because it's not working with your system. I want you to eat six times a day versus eating.

Claudia von Boeselager (10:38)
Yeah.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (10:45)
twice a day. want you to, instead of lifting weights heavy four days a week, I want you to cut that down to two days of full body lifts. I want you to walk four days a week and I want you to take two days off. I want you to sleep seven hours, not nine hours. I want you to get up with the circadian rhythm when you want to, but I don't want you to oversleep. Like literally I switched everything. I flipped it upside down for her based on her DNA. Kid you not, in a matter of, I want to say eight weeks, she lost 25 pounds.

Yeah, the key is this is that I want you to realize is that people like, is that, you know, muscle weight or fat? No, it's inflammation weight. What we're doing in biohacking is overdoing it. And we're putting inflammatory processes. The cytokine responses are creating this inflammation on the body, right? I was reading an article today that talked about longevity and one of the most important factors we have to think about in longevity is not how much we're doing.

Claudia von Boeselager (11:20)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (11:40)
not the exercise, not the diet, not the lifestyle, any of that. It's actually chronic stress. And this chronic stress factor is the biggest thing. What causes chronic stress? I think there's one word and only one word that can define that and that's emotions.

Because the emotional state determines the stress level. How you perceive your reality determines the stress level. Hans Selye, the father of stress, basically defined it as you have two types of stress. You have distress and eustress. Distress breaks the body down. Eustress builds the body up. So right now you're doing something that you call a passion project, a hobby, something that you love to do because you love to learn.

about health. I do too. I love teaching about health. So it's a perfect harmony, right? But if you're doing something that you find challenging, resistant, struggling, now that's a distress. If you do something that you love and you get up there inspired to serve and inspired to help people, now that's a eustress. If you see it on the way, it's a eustress. it's in the way, it's a distress. So cold plunging can be a eustress or distress, depending on how your perception

Claudia von Boeselager (12:22)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (12:46)
determines that reality. So the reason I created it, going back to the DNA test, was to see how do we perceive our reality. Because someone who perceives more stress in their reality is going to have to manage life differently versus someone who perceives more of a restful state. And then these states determine, do we turn the system on or off? Do we sleep? Do we not sleep? Do we become sugar resistant, insulin resistant, hormonal problem? All these things become variables now.

based on this term that I call neuroflexibility.

Claudia von Boeselager (13:15)
Love it. So the brain can form, as we know, new neural pathways. And what's exciting is that it goes well into our 80s, contrary to what previously was thought. So neuroplasticity never stops. And this is per Harvard Health 2023. And you often say, our emotions are data, not directives. How does that perspective help people rewire stress and fear responses?

Dr. Alok Trivedi (13:38)
That's a great question. Thank you for that question. I think when you look at it, you understand that we take a step back and say, what are emotions? Emotions are feedback. They're feedback that something in your reality is not making you feel safe or is making you feel safe. That's it. That's the only reason emotions exist. They make you feel safe. And this is nice. This is kind. When you're cuddling with

You're a dog, it makes you feel good, oxytocin goes up. This is safe, I like this. There's a threat, there's a danger, this is bad. We release epinephrine, norophim, that's bad. And we label this as good and bad, right and wrong. All it is is safe or unsafe. If you stop and realize that, our nervous system is constantly just looking for safety. But your growth doesn't happen in safety, but it's searching for safety. And so as long as it's searching for safety, it says, this is good, I like this.

And so in the way that we look at it and say, if I'm angry, I'm frustrated, I'm stressed, that's because something is threatening me. That's it, it's that simple. We can get over complicated and I can get into the neurodendrites and the synaptic clefts and who cares? Like all of us want to think we know more about this stuff, but really is that what we want or do we really want to have a peace of mind? And the real thing that we ultimately are searching for is peace of mind. That's what I found is like when people come to my events,

Claudia von Boeselager (14:46)
you

Hmm.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (14:56)
They're like, so am I going to go to your event and be like Tony Robbins and walk on fire? No. Am I going to go into your event like Joe Dispenza and walk away mystical? No. Am I going to go to Chopra and I'm going to feel Zen because I have learned Ayurveda? No. Right? When you come into my world and people come into my world, I'm going to rewire your brain so you get grounded, centered, but are excited to live your life. That's a very different experience because we can go into the science and break down all the science, but who cares? At the end of the day,

Claudia von Boeselager (15:21)
Hmm.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (15:26)
Everyone here is searching for one thing and that's peace of mind to love their life.

Claudia von Boeselager (15:29)
What was your biggest insight when you rewired your mind?

Dr. Alok Trivedi (15:32)
I think the biggest insight to me is when I found out my DNA I've gone through my journey of what people will call challenges and traumas and ups and downs, and which life happens. That's part of the game. How you manage those is important. But when I found out that my DNA test showed me that I had a, at that time, we were looking at the test, a 30 % motivation score. My world was like, that doesn't make any sense.

I'm only 30 % motivated naturally. If you look at me, if I know myself, I get up in the morning, I workout, I train, I do all the things I'm supposed to do. I write books, I do podcasts. I'm motivated, I'm never lazy. I'm not. I actually, love what I do. I love doing more of it. I love having these But what I realized is that that 33 % motivation score was actually the greatest gift.

Because what I didn't realize is that I was searching for motivation outside of me. But I didn't realize in my journey in life in creating these 132 rewire protocols, I was actually learning to change my brain neuroplastically to create motivation and dopamine responses by the things that I love, not the things that I needed to chase. in the brain, that's called the reflexive mind versus the reflective.

Claudia von Boeselager (16:46)
Mmm.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (16:52)
The reflexive mind is the animal behavior, right? Give me sugars, give me alcohol, give me nicotine, give me cigarettes, give me all these things, because I did those things. I smoked a pack of cigarettes a day. I used to drink like a bottle of Captain, like a fish. I used to be 50 pounds overweight because I'd eat sugar and couldn't manage. I probably was diabetic, never to actually check my blood sugars at that time. I probably was all of those things. But I didn't realize that the more I did that, the more I was chasing this external proverbial destination.

Claudia von Boeselager (17:12)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (17:20)
what I call chaser mentality. What I was literally doing is

I was taking away and not learning that actually the real gift was for me to find it on the inside. And rewiring that is what actually helped me find that on the inside. Does that mean I never want to chase? Does that mean that I never know? But it lets me realize that if I'm getting agitated and angry, it actually gives me the feedback to understand how to come back to myself and why I'm getting that way. Like I'll give you an example just before our meeting.

I had a meeting with my staff and I was a little annoyed. Actually, I was super annoyed. Right? I was super annoyed and I was edgy. was like, I was in it. And they're like, you better get off this meeting because you have a podcast here and your energy is not in the right place. I said, my energy is always in the right place. Yeah. And so I said, yeah, but here's the thing. The old me would judge me for

Claudia von Boeselager (17:53)
To name it.

You have a good team. have good team. Feedback.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (18:15)
Now that I know this, of course I'm going to be that way because things are responding in a certain way. Minor epinephrine, epinephrine is going to be higher. I'm going to be sympathetically dominant because that's my system. I'm naturally sympathetically dominant. So now I don't have to judge myself for being that way say, that's how I'm going to respond. I didn't say it was okay. I didn't say it was okay to be mean. I'm not saying that. But it lets me say this out of my system is going to respond in a stressful state. I better...

breathe and bring that down so I know how to manage that versus judging my emotion behind it. It changes the entire dynamic of the conversation. And at this moment, you can see that, I hope you can see that there's no agitation. This is back to normal, back to normal space.

Claudia von Boeselager (18:56)
So I think that's a really important point that it's not that you're trying to fix something. It's just you have then the awareness that you will naturally be triggered in a certain way, but you can come back to homeostasis and rebalance quickly because you can see what's happening and then you bring yourself back. So it's not that you're shutting off certain emotions, but you're rewiring essentially how to get back to homeostasis. Is that part of the journey?

Dr. Alok Trivedi (19:19)
Yeah, perfect. I just add one little caveat to it. I would just sit and say that there's nothing to fix. The human body is a perfect machine to do exactly what it's designed to do. If we expect it to do something other than what it's designed to do, we think we need to fix it. But when we realize that the human body is designed in its perfection to do exactly what it's designed to do and respond in the way that it's designed to respond, then it's doing exactly what it's designed to do. So there's nothing to fix.

I'll give you an example. one of my TikToks, I don't know, my old accounts, it went viral and my team cut it wrong actually. I said, there's no such thing as diabetes. They just cut out type two. But I just said diabetes and I got all this hate on it, right? Because then they're like, what about type one? type, well, type one is an emotional response as well that I've found over the years. But the truth is is that

Claudia von Boeselager (20:01)
you

Dr. Alok Trivedi (20:11)
If you eat lots of sugar, if you're angry, if you're stressed, your blood sugar and your mitochondria is going to respond the way that it's designed to respond. And the blood test is going to tell you that your A1c is over 5.6, 6.2 or whatever it is, or 5.6 for pre-diabetes and 6.2 above that, or 6.2 depending on the marker you're using. So is there something wrong? No. That's exactly how the body is designed to respond. If you keep eating candy,

Claudia von Boeselager (20:19)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (20:39)
You can't expect your body to be different if you don't work out, if you expect it to be, I'm diseased. That's not disease. Pathology is the gift to bring you back to homeostasis. Emotions is that pathology that allows you to understand how to get back to homeostasis. That's how I look at it.

Claudia von Boeselager (20:55)
I love that. Really, really good point. I'm sure that went viral and you had a lot of hate messages as well. can only imagine. ⁓

Dr. Alok Trivedi (21:00)
I did. I did. And I'm sure like the more

things I say, some people are going to love the comments I make to sit and say like, you know what, this makes a lot of sense. Some people are going to be like, no, what about my story? What about my victimhood? What about my label? What about my disease? I get it. I understand it. It doesn't mean that it's right. I can sit and say that, you know what, I have this condition, this label, this disease. And you have been diagnosed with that from the medical vantage point.

Claudia von Boeselager (21:12)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (21:27)
to give you a diagnosis and a system, I reverse engineer and say, what if I don't have to go that path? What if I don't have to give you that label and I can sit and say, how does the body work? I'll give you an example of this. I have a she's got a 14 year old son. Now she's an attorney, super high strong.

Right? Really sweet lady, really loving mom, but super high strung, trying to do everything. And we're all there entrepreneurs, like even like my schedule, I'm like, there's so much to do. Right? And she's like that. She's like, I got so much. They're tense. Tenshin means tense ion. Right? And so she's tense. She's got lots to do. Her energy is tense. Now her son is a young man, 14 years old, super smart guy. And he's been, they've said he's on the spectrum.

and all these things, and I'm not taking away from that, nor am I the expert to sit and say he is or isn't. I want everyone to hear that, right? I said, I'm not that guy. I don't know how to do that. I'm not diagnosing anybody, but let me look at his DNA and let me look at his nervous system and let me look at his life. Basically, at night, he doesn't go to bed. He stares in front of the computer and he's doing discord and he's playing video games and kid stuff. And I said, okay, that's one piece of the puzzle.

But his mother has put him on this medication and this medication is a psychotropic medication. I believe it's used for epileptic seizures. This kid doesn't have epileptic seizures, but it's controlling his behavior so that he's not always frantic. So I did his DNA test and I sat down with his mom and I said, if you look at his GAD1, he doesn't make any GAD, his GAD1 which checks your GABA neurotransmitter. GABA is what

Claudia von Boeselager (22:44)
Yeah.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (23:03)
brings a nervous system down. said, if you look at that, he doesn't have any. His body doesn't make it or makes minimal amounts. So no matter what, but if you looked at his sympathetic nervous system, super high, what you've done is taken this kid and said, okay, his sympathetic nervous system, which is his stress nervous system is on all the time. It doesn't shut off. Therefore,

His brain is on 24 seven. Now we put them in a world with all the stimulation, video games, blue light at night, all those things. And I said to him, I said, let me ask you a question. I said, if I took you and I took you in the middle of the stock exchange, it started at 9 AM and it ended at 5 PM. And all you heard was ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding all day. I said, you'd be hoping for 5 PM. And she says, yeah, absolutely.

I said, now what if that 5pm never came? And that ding ding ding ding ding was going on 24 hours a day. How calm, how rational, how relaxing do you think you would be? And she said, I would probably lose my mind. I said, that's exactly what's happening to your son. That's exactly what's happening to your son. Now, if this GABA neurotransmitter doesn't get supplemented, doesn't change,

then what's gonna happen is that his brain is gonna just go back to ding ding ding. All the drugs, at least in this case, what we're trying to do, they were trying to do is just relax his parasympathetic nervous system. I said, why do we gotta do that? Why don't we rewire him, add some supplements, add some GABA to his nervous system, calm the whole body down, and just shut this thing off? And I said, we'll get him some blue light glasses. He said, he wants to play video games? He doesn't stop, he doesn't listen to me, doc. I said, he will, he'll listen. I said, put the blue lights on.

Give him some gaba at 6.30 at night. By the time it's 8.30, his brain's going to go, and it's going to start getting tired. I said, now wake him up at 6 a.m. Put him in front of the sunlight first thing in the morning. And she says, okay. I said, now we start to change. Now this young 14 year old boy, I don't know this for a fact, so I can't speak of this, but I don't know that he's on the drugs, but I did get confirmation that for the first time in weeks, and then he came to my rewired mind seminar where I actually rewired his brain 300 of his beliefs around things.

and I put his brain back into coherence, and then all of a sudden, now this young man is sleeping for weeks at a time.

Now, stress comes back on, what do we do? We default back to our old habits. So that's where the rewiring is a practice, not a destination. if you know how to do that, you can change it. I say this constantly. I'm not the richest guy on the planet, nor will I ever be. But I do believe I'm probably one of the wealthiest men on the planet, because I can get a peace of mind at whim.

because I know how to rewire my mind and get control of my emotions. I think that's wealth.

Claudia von Boeselager (25:56)
What a gift. in. We did, as I mentioned before, dear audience, the DNA swab. So super simple for people like, is this a blood test? What is this? You literally just swab the inside of your mouth. It's very simple and sends it off and it maps dominant patterns in emotion, decision-making and performance.

And I'd love to explore what came up in mine. I know I did the test while you were speaking and I think Chaser came up. So I'm like laughing when you were mentioning about it before. Maybe you could explain first the brain DNA archetypes and tell us how that impacts stress motivation relationships.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (26:30)
Absolutely, it's so great, right? So there's five, what I call five performance brain types, right? And these five different performance archetypes are determined on the way that your nervous system functions. And we look at the four main brain types. Let me break it down. We look at mindset motivation. We look at your connection. We look at your stress response, and we look at your ability to rest and recover. That's neuro flexibility. I use these four markers for neuro flexibility.

how we respond to these then changes how we look at life. Right? We can look at this in the form of wealth, I've changed the conversation a little bit because I think it's much more How do we perform in life? Like for example, a chaser like yourself and myself, right? We're going to be sympathetically dominant. We're going to go, we're going to hunt, we're going to go, we can go make things happen and we're going to say, speed, we need speed. What do mean you're slow? You can't get it done. Like someone like us,

Living in Arkansas is gonna lose our mind.

And so we're fast paced. Our energy is fast paced because we're sympathetically dominant. That means that our nervous system says sympathetic on, parasympathetic not so much. And so the new secondary one we look at is a receiver. Now a receiver, this type of individual is actually going to be much more a feeling centered person.

They're going to be much more, I want to feel, I want to be in the flow, I want to relax, I want to be calm. And their energy is going to be, I would say more feminine than a chaser. A chaser is going to be like more masculine, go after it, get it, that type of energy. And neither is right or wrong, good or bad, but they do translate to hormonal changes and hormones of the body in what I found. Then you have what we call a bridge builder. Now a bridge builder, a little performance type, is someone who actually looks at their body

And their mind, but their mind is racing all the time because they're the, they're the computer that has a million tabs up and they're the paralysis of analysis. They can't make a decision. They, they say they want to, but they default back to what do I do? What do I, what if I get it wrong? What if I, what if I make a mistake and that paralysis of analysis kicks in with the bridge builder? And then what we have, what I call is the protector. This person is more sympathetically dominant as well, but they're afraid of taking action.

They're balanced on dopamine, but they have a lower comp T so they're not ready to jump in. They're staying protected. They're like, I got to protect what I have. Hold onto it. I can't risk it. Risk is not my game. Right now. Each of these. And then the fifth is what I call a resonator. And the resonator is the ability to integrate all of them. Because I think ultimately when you rewire your brain, there's a time to be a protector.

there's a time to be a bridge builder. There's a time to actually be a receiver and there's a time to be a chaser. And to be able to dance in all four of these is a gift and not get stuck. That's what neuro flexibility opens up, to be able to sit and say, you know what? A little while ago in my meeting, I was probably in my chaser brain. Okay, now I'm having this conversation with Claudia.

Claudia von Boeselager (29:18)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (29:33)
I'm going to move back. I'm going to come back into my receiver.

I'm gonna come back to my receiver brain. And you know what, tonight I'm gonna go look at a car and I probably should put on my protector brain and hold on and sit and say, do I want to invest in this or not? Is this a wise move or not? My bridge builder is gonna be the one that's gonna say, I got a lot of things going on. That's when I'm just gonna sit down and organize my company and sit and say, where should I do this? How should I plan all these tabs that are in my head? All of them are valuable, all of them are necessary. But each of us has a primary dominant

default mode. And the whole point to understand is the default mode of that network. Because it's not when you rewire your brain, because people will say, but what about you can say epigenetically, you can change your genes, you can change the way you think. Yes. But in high stress states, you default. And that default is the key. Because you default into the amygdala and that amygdala is now holding on to this default pattern.

What we're trying to do is I'm trying to design evolution for humanity to sit and say, how do we go from the amygdala to the prefrontal cortex? Is there a systematic path and process that allows humans to evolve to get more rational thinking, more strategic thinking, more focus thinking? Yes, absolutely. When I work with companies and corporations, just like you do, right? It's what are they asking me to do? They're asking me to get their brains from the amygdala to the executive center.

understanding to optimize and evolve the brains of everyone else so not stuck in fear. That's what this whole

is designed to do.


Claudia von Boeselager
for people listening, we are looking at my brain DNA results here. So for the first time unfiltered, and for people watching on YouTube, you can see what I'm seeing. So yes, let's go.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
All right, very good. So let's go through this. Okay. So let's go through your personalized summary. Now what this is looking for, there's lots of data here. Okay. Your brain rewire score is sitting at 64%. Okay. Now that's good. That's not a bad test. That's not a good test. It's looking at 64%. Why, how do we get a 64 %? Let's look at reports summary to get clear.

Claudia von Boeselager
Okay.

And what does it

Dr. Alok Trivedi
So when we go into this, you see your MAOA

and your MAOB here, your mindset and motivation. You see how that's a red? that's like me, right? So you can say, I need to go get fired up. I need to go get things. That's why you go hunt. That's why you go build. That's why you go get things done in your life. So when you look at this overall, your mindset motivation here, if you didn't have something to go chase, if you didn't have something to go build, you do have a higher risk of depression.

Claudia von Boeselager
Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
you do have a higher risk of feeling frustrated. And I would bet, if things aren't going your way, you get depressed fast.

Claudia von Boeselager
I don't know about depressed fast because I'm so curious about go find another way. And my mother taught me from a young age, like there's always a solution. So I'm always like, okay, what is the solution to this? So I don't sit there and reminisce. I'm like onto the next thing. But maybe if I had more time in my had postnatal depression after my second daughter's,

Anyway, so I guess that's the if I allowed myself my time. Yeah.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
would be a default. That would be a default.

So if I look at this and we look at your actual mindset motivation score, right? It's a yellow, not a red. What this is looking for, so it's medium amounts of motivation. It's not over the top. It's not horrible for you. If you look in each one of these, and I'm not going to go through each one of these pieces of it, but each one of these has a specific recommendation for you to how to exercise, for example, how not to exercise. If I go to your sleep and recovery, pretty fair. You're pretty medium.

Claudia von Boeselager
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
with fair to sleep recovery. Something you probably need to focus on a little bit more, probably, I would sit and say, you probably burned the candle a little bit too hard, right? So it's something you need to focus on. I would say that your stress, this is what makes you successful, right? Is because you can adapt. You just said it, you literally just said it, is that, hey, look, I have all this going on, but I can find another way. Because if you look at how your body responds to stress, it's a green. You know how to adapt, you move, change.

Claudia von Boeselager
Yeah. Yep.

Correct? Yep.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
This is a key skill I found as entrepreneurs and business leaders in that capacity. Sleep and recovery score here is a moderate, which means that your GABA neurotransmitter doesn't create as much in the system. So we want to make sure we stay balanced with it.

relationships and connection.

Claudia von Boeselager
Neutral, that doesn't sound so good. I do like people.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
kind of tell you, it's neither good nor You do, but you kind

of also like your alone time.

Claudia von Boeselager
I like a bit of both, that's true.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
Yeah, right. There are people who are, I can be around people all the time and I love it it's the greatest thing ever and I'm totally okay with it. And there are other people like my daughter, for example, she's like, I don't need to be around people. Do I gotta talk to people? If I don't have to talk to people, I'm perfectly okay. And you know what I found is that most people are a mixture of the two that they need some, but they don't need a ton. They need balanced amount with it. So it becomes important to realize that part of your life. And here's the key, right?

I use, when people work with me, in our world, use HRV, coherence maps, heart math, all these different factors to determine what's the neuro flexibility that's happening with a person. And we use these as feedback. And what I found is a very correlative response. People who have a lower or medium level oxytocin connection response, the more people they're around, they're under, or that are with, their stress levels go up faster versus someone who actually

has a higher level of connection ratio, they can be around people all the time and they love it. And they have a lower raise in their HRV, or a challenge. Sure.

Claudia von Boeselager
Could ask a question about that? Because would it not depend

on the people you were around? Some people raise your vibration and others...

Dr. Alok Trivedi
I but not always. Sometimes I can be around all

the great people, but sometimes like, okay, stop, me alone. I'm done. I love you all, but I'm done with you now. It's time for me to go. Right? For a period of time, yes. if they're there all the time, you probably need a I'm a key indicator. Let's go some of these other markers

Claudia von Boeselager (03:58)
Yeah.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
Now let's go through motivation mindset in a little bit more detail if we can.

If I'm looking at your comp tee, do you lay in bed thinking at night?

Claudia von Boeselager
I fall asleep pretty fast, but I do have like my biohack, my sleep evening routine to wind down. ⁓

I mean, I would say that within 10 minutes I'm asleep.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
that's good that you found your system to do so. Now you look at this, what this whole thing is about. I actually would love to call this an epigenetic test, but that doesn't, it's actually not accurate, but it's a code to sit and say, how should I live? Right? So you've found a way, myself included, I actually sleep really well. I'm in bed, I fall asleep three minutes because I figured out how to hack and control that.

Claudia von Boeselager
Mm-hmm.

Hmm.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
So I take my supplements, I do my nightly routine, I do my PEMF before I go to bed. Great. But most people don't do those things. Most people say, those aren't important. They're very important. Because if I looked at AG and your CompT, CompT is a very big...

Claudia von Boeselager
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
talked about gene break, Now it is about your mind. is about mind, meaning that it's always on. It doesn't mean that it's always on. It means if you understand how to control it, you can get that thing to shut off. You can get that thing to calm down. But if you don't, it has a higher propensity of leading what's called more catecholamines in the system and increasing the stress load on the body. You would have that as a position.

Claudia von Boeselager
And this is something,

okay, so my default would be lie awake at night. And so obviously I have figured out the biohacks, et cetera, around it to master that, but is it this something that most people have

Dr. Alok Trivedi
I can't classify as most people. don't know about most people. I can't really say that, but I can say people do have we've got to be careful of that is the point, right? In the report, it tells you your ideal sleep window, your time in bed, the oxidative, general cognition. You have good general cognition here as well, if you look at this, right? Your cognition level is good. Your memory is good. Your attention is good. BDNF, for those of you who know about BDNF, BDNF...

Claudia von Boeselager
Okay.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
is your ability to have neuroplasticity. You have a great level of having neuroplasticity in your body.

Claudia von Boeselager
And so question is like, you know, BDNF production running, right? Doing things in the morning, which I try to focus on, but this is genetic. So I typically would be good at producing BDNF and then I support that through modalities that I do to create more BDNF. that, can I ascertain that? Okay, well, are some other big things that you look out for?

Dr. Alok Trivedi
That's correct. That's

Look at anxiety. You have a low propensity of anxiety simply because you see this GAD1, right? This GAD1 would say if you just had an A allele order, you would have an increase for panic, but you don't. Your GAD1 actually calms down easily. This is what makes GABA. This is what calms your nervous system down, And so you don't have a high propensity of panic orders, but someone who has panic disorders, this is a high propensity.

Claudia von Boeselager
huh.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
This is a high possibility if you have this. Now, why is this all important? Right? Because it's like, I got these tests, I got these things, all these things. It doesn't mean you're going to get them. It doesn't mean that you are diagnosed with them. This is not a diagnostic test. It means that you have the predisposition to it. And the predisposition to it means that there's an opening that you may have that. But if you live a different life, wire your brain from the past and into the future differently, you create a different emotional experience. You create a different experience of your life.

Right? And if this is how you're designed, then you have control to say, ⁓ if I am more known to have panic attacks and have panic problems, then if I live differently, I don't have to experience those things. We're now putting the power back in people's hands of their minds. I think almost for the first time to say, this is how you're going to respond. Change that. Respond to that.

Claudia von Boeselager
I love that. so I guess in general with clients, you know, what does that journey look like? So it's basically one is the understanding, know the propensity to certain modalities to anxiety, not, you know, lying awake at night and just understanding that's just because of their genetic makeup. And then what's the next step that you take clients through?

Dr. Alok Trivedi
the next piece of the puzzle is to be able to understand, okay, what do I do with this? We have these emotional responses of anger, shame, guilt, anxiety, sleep disorder, stress. What's our values? What's our real neurologic values? If we don't understand these things, then we don't know how to manage them.

So my goal is to educate as many people as I can. That's the goal is education. So I take them, have a two month program where I take people through something called Rewire You. And that's a two month program where we take people through to teach them, okay, this is what anger really means in your brain, neurochemically, based on your DNA. This is why I, even you believe it or not, would have a higher propensity for anger responses. We are prone to...

Claudia von Boeselager
Yeah.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
to snap easier. And that's natural. Okay, great. That doesn't mean it's good or bad, right or wrong, but that's how you respond. And if that's the case, then it's like, that's why I respond that way. But if I do get angry, how do I rewire it so it doesn't hold my life? It doesn't hold my frame and become my habit, my default. That's a key. That's what rewiring does. So we teach people how to do that. It's an eight week type course. Then people can also come to the rewired mind where I rewire 300 to 500 different beliefs in one day. And honestly, it's a life-changing experience for people.

Claudia von Boeselager
Hmm.

Dr. Alok Trivedi (09:03)
⁓ But then we also have programs where we certify practitioners. And my goal is that can't do all this by myself, but we have DNA rewiring for practitioners to create, to help you implement this into your life, into a business, into a system that you want, and to be able to help more people. That's our goal.

Claudia von Boeselager
I love that. And I think it's so empowering, as you said, because you're giving the power back to the person to understand that this is maybe the default or this is, you know, conditioning that we've had, but there is another way and to have that awareness and then to know the steps that work really well for themselves as well.

Where can people find out more? Where can people sign up? Where would you like to send them to and to follow you Dr. Rewire? And we'll link everything in the show notes.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
No, that's great. Thank you. I appreciate that. would sit and say, you know what, go to DNAwealthquiz.com, right? First, and wealth just means wholeness. So go to DNAwealthquiz.com and find out what's your performance type. I think that's a first place to start. And then take the journey to sit and say, what do want to do with this? If I'm a chaser, what do I do with this now? Right? And then take that path. Go to drrewire.com. I invite you. Come to one of my events. I promise you that you spend two days with me.

and your life will not, you will walk away a different human being after that, those two days. You won't see the world the same.

Claudia von Boeselager
Beautiful, very exciting. Do you have a final message, ask or parting thoughts you'd like to share with my audience today?

Dr. Alok Trivedi
Well, thank you. appreciate it. Number one, thank you for the work that you do. It's not easy doing all the work that people take, like all these podcasts and like, it's a lot. I know it's a lot. I'm on it. It's like, man, it's a lot. but I, I want to thank you for doing that. I would say it's, it's not easy to put good information in the world and you're doing a great job with it. Number two, would say, get your code. friends. Look, I think, I think there's a blueprint. I've created a little bit of a blueprint for humanity, for people to, to walk through.

Claudia von Boeselager
It's... busy.

Thank you.

Dr. Alok Trivedi
their life and be able to have clarity, at least a little bit more clarity maybe. And I only say this because I was the lost, struggling guy myself to create clarity in my path to create mental longevity, create peace of mind, to create centeredness, to live at least most of the time, right? Life is going to happen, but how do you get yourself back to center? I think that's peace of mind.

Claudia von Boeselager
Yeah, and so many people are suffering, right? Yeah, so, so beautiful. Thank you so much for the work you're doing, inspiring so many people. Absolutely loved having you on, loved your talk as well, and so excited to dive into a bit more details as well. So dear audience, make sure to check out Dr. Rewire's work. Thank you so much for coming on today and thank you to your audience in.