Claudia von Boeselager (00:00)
My guest today is Jay Campbell. Jay is a authority on hormone optimization, peptides, metabolic health, and human performance. A five-time international bestselling author and co-founder of BioLongevity Labs, Jay has spent more than two decades helping people optimize metabolism, restore vitality, and take control of their long-term health.

Known for his direct, evidence-based approach, Jay has become one the most trusted voices in the rapidly evolving world of peptide therapies, GLP compounds,

and therapeutic hormones. His work focuses on moving healthcare beyond symptom management and toward true metabolic repair and longevity optimization. What makes Jay especially unique is his belief that biology alone is not enough. He speaks openly about the role of mindset, identity, emotions and consciousness in shaping health outcomes and how these deeper internal patterns can either amplify or sabotage

even the most advanced optimization health, and what it really means to reclaim energy, vitality, and human potential. Please enjoy.

Welcome to the Long Divided Lifestyle Podcast, Jay. It's an absolute pleasure to have you on today.

Jay Campbell (01:11)
It is an amazing honor to be here with you today, Claudia. Thank you so much for having me. And I know that this is going to be an incredible

Claudia von Boeselager (01:16)
I'm very excited for it, particularly based on our chatter just before, we were covering world travel and problems and all the rest of it too, when we were just talking about attention span and the world of AI. So just pick up on a slightly different angle, what's your view,

Jay Campbell (01:20)
Hahaha!

so like, like peptides, it's a very good analogy. they're just tools and that's really what AI is. The problem is, is that we have a massive lack of education on that awareness that there are tools just like peptides. They are not magic bullets or easy buttons. They are tools. And the issue and, and, know, very truthfully, the reason that I have a name and that you're actually podcasting with me today is because I have this unique, incredible ability.

Claudia von Boeselager (01:46)
Yeah.

Jay Campbell (01:58)
to take very esoteric and arcane concepts and make them relatable to average people. And that's what I've done with peptides. But, know, to the AI point, way too many people use AI to think now. And it is an absolute disaster. in my space, your space, you know, whatever we call ourselves, internet marketers, et cetera, like you see so many people who write with AI at this point, and it's an embarrassment. It's, mean, I can't actually define it lower than an abomination.

But I see it so often and so much now that I really honestly have to ask the question, like how many people are actually using their brain to write? Well, I should say to think first and then write. And I would actually argue it's less than 10 % of people in the world now because I see some of the most horrific stuff. And it's like, when I see that now from somebody and I'm not working with you or we don't do business, you're not a candidate to do business with me. That's kind of the way it is. And my team,

actually gets mad at me because they're like, you're really limiting the people that we can work with. I'm like, ⁓ then that's just the way it's going to be because I'm not going to work with somebody who can't think.

Claudia von Boeselager (03:00)
And I think it's actually an opportunity for people to be more authentic, more genuine, more human, make mistakes. That's that I was chatting with someone last week who was telling me about how he was able to reach out to all these investors and different things. And he intentionally used spelling mistakes twice in an email that he sent out, even though he used AI to try to make it sound more human. So I think there's like workarounds but slightly different topic. I think it's very, very relevant. I totally agree. It is a tool. think.

Jay Campbell (03:04)
Yes. Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager (03:26)
If someone has not gotten their head around it and it's constantly evolving, right? But it's such an add on benefit for efficiency. So we can be more human. So we can be more creative. And that's how I think it should be and not to be scared of it or just use it for asking simple questions. But it's about thinking strategically, using even a piece of paper, drawing it out and then leveraging the tools of AI to get to different outcomes And then speak to humans about it.

Jay Campbell (03:49)
Well, I listen, that's really

well said. And I will just tell you this, you know, to be a supporter of it. And I'm not a supporter of technology. mean, I'm a supporter of it as a tool, but I am not a transhumanist. You know, I will not be beamed up. My consciousness is not going to be beamed up into the cloud and I'm not going to become bionic. And I know that there's a huge segment of the population that wants to go that path and I'm totally against it. But if that's what you want to do, you have the freedom to do that. But you know, I'm more about the

As I say, divine empowered, sovereign and free. And I want to maintain my humanity. And with obviously the tools we can talk about on this podcast, we can absolutely live to 150. And when I say 150, I mean, with a health span that is robust and thriving, but I will tell you this AI is this close. I mean, it's actually already done it, but we can't commercially manufacture them, but there's a guy on X I recommend you follow his name is Anthony Linares and he has iteratively mapped all of the amino acid.

Claudia von Boeselager (04:29)
Thank you.

Jay Campbell (04:40)
and peptide chain sequences so that there is no disease, there's no cancer, there's really no diagnosis that cannot be solved now with this iterative mapping. The issue is that we don't have the technology right now from a manufacturing standpoint to actually commercially synthesize these amino acid chains, which again are peptides, to solve. Think of it as like a lock and key, right? So every single disease or diagnosis ⁓ has this lock.

that's defective, you the ontological cell mutation. And now you can use a new peptide sequence to unlock it and fix it and naturally, you know, target whatever it is that's causing the pathogen or causing the mutation and it can fix itself. so like we're not far away. And my guess is we're within two to three years again, if we don't blow ourselves up, as I always go like that, you know, it's kind of like, I think that's what we look like right now with all the instability in the world. But,

It's amazing that technology and slash AI is allowing us to do this. And so if we don't blow ourselves up, I see an incredible biomedical future, call it a revolution or golden age. I do think, and I want to mention this to you, and I'm sure you agree. the unfortunate part of that golden age is that there's not enough people taking part in this. Like the dichotomy of humanity of the haves and have nots. Cause I think you know this, like, and this is what I talk about now all the time, but

We are literally less than 5 % of the population that even knows what a peptide is. So imagine how insane that is in the rest of the world. And also from a blue ocean, you know, strategic standpoint, how big the opportunity is, but I don't know if it will ever go mainstream because cost, ⁓ again, education awareness. ⁓ there's just this giant divide. And obviously my goal with, you know, my writing my newest book, ⁓ is

teaching people how to use these tools to optimize their physical health. as you know, when you have physically optimized health, it leads to spiritual health. It leads to more awareness. It leads to so many great things. It's so few people really possess today. And that's to me, the biggest concern is like, how can we outsource this so that way more people are aware of these things? Because again, you know this from your family and your friends. When we talk about peptides and how they heal and how they do all these amazing things, most people look at you,

with this astonished look, like, are you talking about? Like, I've never heard this. My doctors never told me about this. So, you my goal with obviously doing these podcasts, talking to amazing people like yourself is how can we get this information into more people's hands? Because as you know, from there, it's just the hundredth monkey syndrome.

Claudia von Boeselager (07:08)
I 100 % agree and I think health should be a human rights for everyone and not just a sick care system. And I know this is also what you preach to. And these are short-chain aminos or pieces of protein. I mean, if people really break down what it is, it should be almost like universally accessible and the lack of education or the misinformation and people get scared and injecting yourself, et cetera. We'll dig into all the different nuances. ⁓

Jay Campbell (07:30)
We definitely

have to talk about the misinformation because the stuff that I see online now about peptides literally scares me.

Claudia von Boeselager (07:33)
Yeah.

and protocol people are suggesting it's wild.

Jay Campbell (07:39)
it's the new gold rush. way too many people, you know, who start using peptides three weeks ago, then go online and claim themselves to be experts and start selling them. And that's, know, that's where we are now. We're like, I'm telling you, I have heard things in just the last week, why I was there now that I'm back here, about what peptides do and stuff that I mean, I'm like, what, like somebody told me this morning, Kerr grill in a tide improves the

Claudia von Boeselager (07:40)
would say that too.

Jay Campbell (08:03)
brain. and I said, what? And they're like, Yeah, haven't you looked at it? And I'm like, coagulonatide is an amyloid receptor agonist that suppresses appetite at the brain. It doesn't improve the brain. But I mean, again, this is where we are, is there so much, you know, disinformation or bad information, as you said, that it's becoming harder and harder for smart people to actually find the correct information. And again, I think AI is playing a role in that. I really do.

Claudia von Boeselager (08:28)
For sure, because I think it gives a on certain facts And I think sourcing is a really big thing. many different topics to dive into. think let's take a step back for a moment. And as we know, there's over 90 % of adults who are considered metabolically unhealthy with testosterone levels falling off a cliff, and obesity, and insulin resistance continuing to rise globally. Chronic fatigue is another big one I used to past life, as I call it.

Jay, from your perspective, what's actually happening to modern humans just to set the stage here?

Jay Campbell (08:55)
That's,

that's a first off a great question and a very amazing perspective, but I want to actually unpack what you said, how insane that is by the way, you're the only person that's actually ever said that to me. And, so, you know, this at a very deep level, like I tell people in the U S when I'm lucky enough to either lecture or on podcasts, they did a study and this is as late as 2023. So I knows how bad it is now, but

Claudia von Boeselager (09:03)
care.

Jay Campbell (09:19)
70 % it was like 71 or 72 % of adults over the age of 40 in the USA today as of 2023, September of 2023 are classified by the BMI is obese, obese. so to fast forward and I've put my copyright team has written an article about this and it's crazy. It's actually old now because it was from 2022 but

It's forecast by 2035 and obviously now it's way going to be sooner. It's accelerating that that will be the number one cause of death in the world is obesity. Right. So obesity, metabolic disorder, dysregulation, disease, whatever you want to call it is the biggest threat to human existence. Now that we know of it's stronger than cancer or heart attacks. But as you know, and this is important, Claudia, like it leads to all those other things. Right. So it's like, I tell people like, what is the number one way

that you can ensure that you will live longest in your life is to be lean. That's statistically proven. Now, a lot of people say, and they hear lean exactly. So, well, I mean, automatically, if you're lean, it automatically means you're muscular, right? Now you're not like a hyper, you know, bodybuilder type person. And I think a lot of people hear that and they think like that, but that's not true. And also if you look into the octogenarians, I'm in the blue zone people, you know, the people that live a hundred.

It's always Asia places, right? So these people are very thin, very waif-like. They're not robust by any stretch, but they're lean. They don't have ⁓ fat because again, fat, visceral fat is what leads to inflammation. Inflammation leads to cellular degradation. Cellular degradation becomes disease. I mean, we know this. So it's like in today's day and age, if metabolic health is for sure the number one killer or the number one causal agent of disease, know, and dysregulation, we have to get leaner and granted,

We now have all these amazing tools and you know, I'm presenting at the Asprey conference next week in a breakout room. And then I'm also on stage with Dave, yay for 20 minutes in a fireside chat. But he wants me to talk about, ⁓ you know, how to live leaner, longer and stronger. And he's like, you know, you're the guy, you know, and I was just on one of his podcasts and they took a lot of my clips and they went viral. Cause we talked about peptides. were talking about mitochondrial optimization and metabolic health and stuff. But you know, very truthfully now,

If you wanted to optimize your physiology, regardless of your age, you nailed it. You first have to understand if have a hormone deficiency, because if you don't know if you have a hormone deficiency and you, most people do, as you said, ⁓ and you start using peptides, it's like literally pouring water in your gas tank, right? If you're not going to get the same effect as someone who's hormonally optimized. So labs, you know, are you testosterone deficient? Are you progesterone deficient, estradiol, deficient.

Pregnenolone deficient SDHA. some other ones down regulation, you know, precursor stuff, but that's number one, you know, let's get optimized hormonally first. we can do it naturally, but as you know, that's becoming a harder and harder, depending on where you live, because the, you know, the air, the food, the water, everything is contaminated and poisoned. So the biggest needle mover is always going to be and tool in the tool belt is therapeutic hormones. Right? So if you're a woman, it could be three. If you're a man, it could be testosterone, thyroid.

you know, something for your pancreas to improve insulin sensitivity, whether that's Jardiance or metformin or Dihydroberberine or any of those things, that's first. Secondarily, it's lifestyle. You know, are you living insulin You know, are you eating enough carbohydrates to refuel muscle glycogen relevant to your energetic demand? Because I can make an argument that some people can use, you know, a carnivore keto low carb diet, you know, to fuel their lifestyle.

Whereas if you're a normal person, like, you know, probably you and me, and you want to live, you know, as I always say, you want to look better with a bathing suit on or shirt off, then you're probably going to control your carbohydrate consumption relative to how much you exercise. Right. And people that lift weights, you know, two or three days a week, three or four days a week, whatever it is, you know, you're going to eat some carbs to refill muscle glycogen. So that's number two. you clearly have to understand about resistance training and cardiovascular training along with that diet.

But then if you have those dialed in, and by the way, 95 % of people don't, you can now move into way too many people start off with GLP-1 peptides without having any of that stuff understood. And again, problem is it Claudia? Is it the doctor who is desperate to make money and write a script who doesn't really understand any of the other things? Or is it the pharmaceutical company that gives the doctor, you know, the insane

you know, package insert instructions for the dosages of GLP's, which as you know, is insane and blows out people's receptors and causes the muscle loss and the thyroid damage and all the other stuff. So I don't really know who it is, but I always say it's up to people like me and you to educate the doctors, the pharma companies, and of course the masses on how to do this right. And you know, I wrote a book that just came out in February. It's called metabolic awakening with GLP peptides. I'll be happy to send it to you after this podcast, but

Claudia von Boeselager (14:02)
Congratulations.

Jay Campbell (14:03)
it's a really amazing book. It's 700 pages. I have to say this to you. We did not use an ounce of AI to write it. Two copywriters, me eight months, no AI. And you know, every time it was in the Google document, as I was typing and editing and convert verifying sites, it would say, summarize this with perplexity. And there was always a time where I'd be like, you know, should I just hit the button? And I never did, but

Claudia von Boeselager (14:06)
Well.

Jay Campbell (14:27)
the book is absolutely amazing because it has every bit of research that's been done on every influential GLP in the last six years. And true fun fact, true story. GLPs have been in the market since 2006. They didn't become mainstream, you know, public and popular until 2020 with Semaglutide slash Ozempic But we're now in this age and I have an entire chapter on this know, Retatrutide and Tirzepatide are kind of the state of the art state of the union.

Claudia von Boeselager (14:39)
long time.

Jay Campbell (14:54)
In two years or less, they'll be irrelevant. That's what's in the pipeline. There's stage fours and fives and sixes and all these amazing things coming and they'll all be better. And they're always obviously outdoing themselves. So the whole purpose of the book is to, as you already said, their tools to use, but only when you're educated on how to use them correctly. And so many people are not educated on how to use them correctly. And we can obviously get into that conversation if you want, but that's all it is. Like people will say to me, but Jay,

If you go on a GLP at 60 and you lose 20 pounds or 15 pounds or a woman, you know, around your belly or around your hips and thighs or whatever. And then, you know, what do you do then? And I'm like, what do mean? What do you do then? You maintain the weight loss and they're like, no, you're addicted to the, you're addicted to the actual GLP and you got to stay on it forever. And that's completely not true. It's a tool that you can use whenever you want, but you don't stay on it forever. You get to your goal, target body weight, body composition, et cetera.

And then in the background, if you know how to use this correctly, which again, so if you do, you can always go back to it if something happens. Cause for example, a 60 year old man or woman, they fall, they break their leg. It's a compound fracture. They can't exercise for six months or four months or maybe three months with, you know, the stack. the truth is, is like, you're not going to be able to recover like you did when you're in your twenties and thirties and you clearly won't be able to exercise. So if you understand how to use the GLP in a micro dose, along with the other lifestyle things.

Claudia von Boeselager (16:04)
Yeah.

Jay Campbell (16:15)
You can employ it when you're healthy again, or when you're healed. And so that's what I teach people is like, it's not about being addicted to the drug, microdosing it forever. It's about learning to use it contextually relevant to your lifestyle, your application, and then employing it whenever it's necessary.

Claudia von Boeselager (16:31)
Yeah. I love that, Jane. think it's also using it as an opportunity to change your bad habits into better ones or bad habits, right? So looking at your diet, right? So the GLP is not just, I can eat more ice cream or pizza or McDonald's or whatever it might be. It's actually, I don't have those hunger cravings. So why don't I be more selective about what I'm eating and mindful and eating more green, leafy vegetables and protein, healthy proteins, et cetera, and starting to move more.

Jay Campbell (16:38)
100%.

Claudia von Boeselager (16:56)
know, snowball going in the right direction. And then as you said yourself, like when you don't need to anymore, you've set yourself up with a very healthy lifestyle that you can just continue versus if you just use it to eat as much ice cream and McDonald's and whatever else you might be eating. So then obviously the weight's going to come back pretty fast. So I think as you said, it's a tool and a tool to change your lifestyle for the better, to really make a profound lasting impact. And I also just want to pick up on a point you mentioned before.

I wonder your view. For me, I think that a lot of these things, like even maybe before the hormones is getting the foundation right, like the sleep, right? obviously environment, if you have a toxic environment, toxic relationships, things like that, I think people sometimes ignore skip over, they look for the magic pill or magic peptide that they hope are going to cure everything, but ensuring that those foundations are in place, that you're, you know, happy, joyful purpose. Obviously, if you're struggling with your health, it's a little bit tricky, I understand.

But would you agree that those are part of the foundational parts?

Jay Campbell (17:53)
Yeah. a hundred percent, but with a caveat here, here's where I have to disagree and not really disagreeing, but just basically throwing in a caveat is that most people today are so metabolically dysregulated that if their hormones are out of whack, no amount of mind power or mindset strategy is going to help. So I always will say that like understand where your hormones are first and then

change your lifestyle as you're doing that. right for anybody who's not metabolically dysregulated, which is a few, it's really hard. You know, for example, like it's always like the chicken versus the egg, you know, like a fat guy. I don't really want him on therapeutic testosterone because if he injects it, he can have an inflammatory response or inflammatory cascade to the actual injection of the testosterone because he has so much visceral fat, which is, you know, causing all the cellular inflammation. But at the same time,

He doesn't have any energy because he's so metabolically dysregulated because he's so fat. So I would say like, you know, I want to make sure that they're at the same time, they're changing their lifestyle. They're also getting, you know, the physiological, you know, call it up regulation from the testosterone because it also is lipolytic. It helps burn fat at the same time. So that's kind of the only caveat, but a hundred percent. None of this stuff, whether it's testosterone or peptides is absolutely going to do anything if you don't change your lifestyle. And I think.

way too many people do look at testosterone and peptides and small molecules and bioregulators. And again, all these wonderful golden age technologies that I'm so big into as magic bullets, and they are believe me, the number one way to screw up peptides and to think that peptides don't work is to be dramatically hormonally dysregulated and to start peptides because you just will not get the same effect. I have these conversations every single day with people.

know, cause they start with like Klotho or they start with FGF21 and they're just a mess hormonally. And they hear about all these great things about these products and they are amazing products, but it's like, you know, what do you expect if your body, your system, your endocrine system is not, you know, revving at least 60 to 70 % of capacity. And honestly, I think this is something we should talk I do think, and this is my opinion, but obviously I've been in this space for a long time. I think that in the West, I'll definitely not say in the

Claudia von Boeselager (19:54)
Yeah, let's talk about this a bit more.

Jay Campbell (20:03)
You know, places where natural interventions are still good from an air quality stuff. ⁓ 80 % of the public is hormonally dysregulated. It's so bad. I was talking about this with one of the producers at shield because we're filming the new movie, the new woo. And I told them that one of my central thesis is, and I can verify this with studies is the reason that human beings globally are. Confused from a sexual identification standpoint is for one reason.

No one is talking about this, but it literally is the lack of free testosterone that they are exposed to in utero. You have men and women coming out of the womb with zero sex differentiation because they have no free testosterone in the womb. So either the mother is completely hormonally dysregulated or they were or their father was, you whoever was, you know, was responsible for the fertilization of the egg.

That's what you're dealing with. And so these children, it's not their fault. You know, they come out with no desire to be an XX or an XY because again, if we understand how eggs develop and how zygotes become embryos, it's literally sexual differentiation due to the amount of testosterone that that the zygotes slash the embryo is exposed to in utero. And so if there is none, they cannot differentiate into XY or XX.

Claudia von Boeselager (21:18)
Interesting.

Jay Campbell (21:22)
And look, I don't want to put my tin foil hat on. can't. It's over there. You know, the tin foil hat company in the UK is a sponsor of me and they send me hats all the time. But this is not being a coincidence. It is being done very intentionally to make us whatever you want to call us more compliant. You know what I mean? originally I used to think it was just a byproduct of modernization. And then I met Dr. Anthony J. I'm sure you know who he is and

Claudia von Boeselager (21:42)
passive.

Jay Campbell (21:50)
He literally wrote the book, Estrogeneration. And when he wrote that book, I met him like eight months later and he told me a story and I've rarely told told people about this, but I'll put this on your podcast. So he was the head of estrogen at the Mayo clinic for about three years, right? Very, very well known, established academic. And the lady that he was replacing came to him and said, I don't know who she is. I don't care. And said, um, they're turning all of the

into And this was like, you know, before she retired, like two weeks after she left the place, but she, that's all she said to him. And she goes, that's all I'll tell you. I won't ever repeat that. I won't go on the record, but this was in 2016 might've been, might've been beginning of 2017. think it was beginning, end of 2016. He wrote the book in 2017. And I think you now know this. This is like a very famous study. Now it's true that when you look at freshwater, tributary streams, aqueducts, even salt water,

that frogs are becoming, male frogs do become female by the end of the year, like everywhere in United States. And this is all due to the chemical onslaught. But she said that to him. And so at that point, that's when he became, as he says now, a conspiracy analyst and not a theorist. But it really is weird to look around at our society and to see so many people who are hormonally dysregulated. And you have to realize this is all a byproduct of what we are existing in.

Claudia von Boeselager (23:04)
And would you say the microplastics, the endocrine disruptors, the phthalates, all the different things as you drink from a plastic bottle? It's hard. It's very hard.

Jay Campbell (23:11)
You and

I right now are taking in insane amounts of electromagnetic radiation just from our screens, just from our wifi, just from our routers. mean, everything I always tell people when you sit in your car, a new car, especially the hydrofluorocarbons that are made in your dashboard and the plastic, when they sit in the sun.

the stuff that comes out. Do you ever like take a quick second when the air conditions on in the summer in your house and you like look very close and you see like the energetic threads and you're like, what the hell is that? I mean, it's not good for you, Claudia. I can tell you that. So yeah, I mean, I

Claudia von Boeselager (23:44)
It's tough. mean,

I've got the EMF mitigation device here. Like you try, life is also tough.

Jay Campbell (23:48)
Exactly. And that's what we're all doing.

But my argument is it is inevitable. It is unavoidable unless you live literally in the wilds the bush in Tasmania. But, but the truth, and by the way, they probably have a better life than any of us now. That's a whole nother podcast, but the truth is, that you have to use the biggest tools in the tool belt to mitigate all the horrific stuff that's going on. And like I always say, like,

Claudia von Boeselager (24:08)
Yes.

Jay Campbell (24:11)
if you're a man or woman today and you're not using therapeutic hormones and you're over the age of 35 at this point, because I see so many kids in their twenties who are destroyed. You don't know what it's like to literally live in a state of not suffering. And I mean that and remember, and I always say this because of my mom's suffering and my mom died of COVID and she was morbidly obese the last 20 years of her life. know, I don't.

hold anyone accountable other than her for that, but I'm sad that she's gone. But the truth is, is that when you're morbidly obese, you are living in a 24 seven, 365 day default state of suffering. People do not understand what it's like to be morbidly obese and to have cytokine storms literally at every second of every day. So when you and I talk about,

minor condo peptides and optimizing your hormones and living insulin control and all these things like an obese person. That's like nothing to them because they're literally dying every second of every day. They feel like absolute dog shit. And so it's like, I have so much compassion and empathy for people like that, because I do understand how hard it is for them to change. And so whenever I see somebody who's lost all this weight and made all these amazing changes, man, I celebrate them as much as I possibly can. always ask them if I can write an article about you.

Claudia von Boeselager (25:18)
Yeah.

Jay Campbell (25:22)
If I can promote you on my social media, you I want to just promote you. It's not about me. I want to promote you for the amazing turnaround and change in your life. Cause that is one of the hardest things that any human being can do. But it just really, really unfortunate for people who are obese, like how much they suffer. And I think people don't understand it. I don't think people who have never been obese really understand what they're feeling.

Claudia von Boeselager (25:41)
I think society has rigged against them. mean, pollution everywhere. They're encouraged to get the big gulp the larger sizes to not walk, the drive-throughs, not moving around. They're promised on television all the time. There's a magic pill and a magic cure for this. There's not, it's effort, it's time. You have to do it yourself. And it's uncomfortable at the beginning, but again, it's a snowball effect. And then when you get into that better state, you have more energy, you're feeling great.

Jay Campbell (25:45)
Yes, yes.

Yes, exactly.

Yes.

Claudia von Boeselager (26:07)
you're starting to really thrive. And I'm coming from someone who had chronic fatigue, chronic sinusitis It's like a bunch of different health issues, burnt myself out as a former A type recovering multiple serial obstructive. You think I am? attempting to recover. I'm attempting to be more in flow states, go with the flow, surrender to the

Jay Campbell (26:15)
I think it's not A type. It's just a recovered A type.

⁓ think you're in closed

You just triggered me to say this, and I never realized this, but, Dr. J was famous for this. He says, and this is so sad, but if you live, you know, I know that this is like the cliche say to say, but they say, he says, if you live in the flyover country in America, so you live in like, you know, West, North Texas, Nebraska, Iowa, you know, ⁓

Oklahoma, Illinois, he says the amount of glyphosate, atrazine, and there's like two other chemicals, industrial chemicals is so high that obese people and not even obese people, just slightly fat people actually get an accumulation of these chemicals in the visceral fat. And even if they exercise and do everything right and listen to people like you and I, says it's 10 times.

as hard for them to get those out of the visceral fat. cannot leach them out. So I started thinking about that when he told me that that was in 2019. And I was like, my God, I mean, your only chance is to move. Like you cannot live in those areas if you are already, again, obese and have all this visceral fat because you can't lose it. Those chemicals will not get out of the visceral fat. It's really insane. But I mean, again, how do those people move? That's their life. You know what I mean? life. It's very difficult.

Claudia von Boeselager (27:36)
are decisions you need

to make. Do you choose a better life And I think also to be very much aware chemicals are banned in pretty much every other country, a lot of other countries than the United States and South America. I've learned as well, they're also permitted there. Bayer owns glyphosate, right? So they made that acquisition in Monsanto. It's banned in Europe. It's banned in Germany, where Bayer is from.

Jay Campbell (27:43)
Exactly.

I know.

Claudia von Boeselager (27:55)
yet they have no problem. United States still allows this and it's super toxic and they're spraying it on the golf courses. And if you live within three miles of a golf course, have 120 % increased chance of mother sadly died of Alzheimer's last year. My father is there beside a golf course. He's in Florida. There's golf courses everywhere and inhaling all this stuff. So toxicity is a big thing. I want touch back on hormones just can close that loop before we go into peptides.

Jay Campbell (28:01)
Yes. Yes.

Claudia von Boeselager (28:17)
What would you encourage? Because obviously not every doctor is trained in hormones and endocrine system. Majority are really, really, really difficult. Especially in Europe, I've even had Dr. Joanne Manson of Harvard on the podcast to talk about the WHI, Health Initiative study that went so wrong and was misunderstood and hormonal experts too.

Jay Campbell (28:22)
None of them

Claudia von Boeselager (28:36)
What are some information that you would like people to know, even if they speak to their trusted doctor and the doctor's like, you're fine. You don't need to test for this. You don't need to know. And a small anecdote to this. One of my friends went to the leading menopause doctor in Berlin. She didn't her estrogen levels. I'm like, she showed me her blood results. I'm like, sorry, this is a leading specialist. The website looks great.

Jay Campbell (28:51)
There's nothing.

Right. No, they're not. They're not leading

anything. Remember they're leading in their understanding of textbook endocrinology, but outside of that, they're not leading in anything. So it's a very simple answer. So we can get the peptides. you cannot work with any kind of insurance subrogated doctor when it comes to hormones. They are not trained. There is no standard care or standard practice of care teaching hormones. And look, it's real simple.

Claudia von Boeselager (29:01)
It's so sad.

Jay Campbell (29:17)
Pharma doesn't want people hormonally optimized. If you were hormonally optimized, you're not going to buy any of their pills, potions, and drugs. again, exactly. Remember what Chris Rock said, there's no money in the cure. The money is in the medicine. Right? So it's very simple. If you're watching this podcast and you don't know, you have to seek out a physician. As I always say, a standard practice is 10 years of hormonally optimizing both men and women, whether you're a man or woman.

Claudia von Boeselager (29:24)
and you're not going to be sick as much.

Jay Campbell (29:43)
If they don't have 10 years experience, find another doctor who does. And thankfully in the West, in the U S especially there's plenty, there isn't plenty in the Europe, There's a lot of countries in Europe that don't even have the ability. Like, you know, my good buddy Dome in Germany, he can't get testosterone. has to literally procure testosterone from like somebody like me and then smuggle it into his country. And he's like one of the world's leading doctors in Germany for, you know, biological dentistry and he can't even get testosterone. So it's, it's literally insane, but

Claudia von Boeselager (30:07)
He's been on the podcast too.

Jay Campbell (30:11)
Yes. Like you definitely have to find a doctor and clearly if you are in the West, make sure you can get a lab report because it's free, right? Direct labs, discount labs, private MD labs. mean, all of these places will do hormone tests for men and women. And it's like ordering something on Amazon and, you know, people then say, well, you know, here's an AI advantage. what do I do? I don't know how to read my labs. Well, it's really simple to search YouTube, but you don't even have to do that now. You can go into chat, GPT, Claude, or perplexity and

upload your PDF of your printout and say, tell me what's deficient and what's wrong or what's good or what's bad. And it literally will tell you in literally two minutes and it will print it out. So there's, you do have that advantage for AI, but there's no reason wherever you are in the world today that you can't find an independent lab to test you. then to use AI to find out, you know, whether or not you have an issue. And then from there, for sure, you have to work with a doctor that is an insurance doctor.

Claudia von Boeselager (31:03)
100 % and I would just say tell the or perplexity to use from an optimal range, not just the population Peptides, Jay, we're going to move on to spicy topic. I can't walk about 20 at the moment until someone's stopping me asking about peptides and all the rest of it too. Very, very hot topic. Quick disclaimer before we dive deeper, please everyone, this is for educational informational purposes. Please make sure you do anything with medical oversights.

Jay Campbell (31:08)
Exactly. Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager (31:26)
However, we are talking about this very important topic. why do you believe peptides may fundamentally change the future of medicine and longevity,

Jay Campbell (31:34)
I don't believe it. know So first off, for my experience and professional, I've been using therapeutic peptides since literally 2003. I've used every peptide under the sun, every form of delivery system. mean, again, when there's somebody out there that says, hey, I've been using peptides for a long time, as a champion of them, it clearly is me. There's a lot of people, as I told you, or as you and I discussed at the beginning of this, who are talking about peptides, who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. So be very, very cautious and careful where you get your information from.

Claudia von Boeselager (31:41)
Thank you.

Jay Campbell (32:02)
peptides address the fundamental root cause of disorganization, dysregulation, disease, call it, know, chaos in cellular systems. And if you can understand what peptide addresses underlying or fundamental ideology of whatever it is that ails you, then you can fix it and you can heal it. And remember the difference between this and allopathic medications is that allopathic medications are made of petroleum distillate most

And when they break down in the human body, they cause symptoms and side effects because oil doesn't break down, you know, as an organic signaling molecule like peptides do. So there are very few side effects from peptides. I've never seen a single person in my 24 years close to it now, or my 23 and a half years close to using peptides who died or OD'd from injecting a peptide. And that's pretty strong statement because I think you know,

There's a lot of scammers and bad actors in the research peptide space in America and not just America, it's all over the world. India, the UK, the EU, et cetera, even in Greece, where I just was, there's people selling peptides. So the truth is that they're very safe. They are again, as you said, chains of amino acids, you know, the longer the chain, the more likely it has to be injected to be the highest impact and efficacious as a cell signaling molecule.

There are oral versions. Obviously the Russians have bioregulators, which is a whole nother topic and probably a whole another podcast, because I don't think enough physicians understand how great those things are because they're tissue specific and they can address a lot of things as we age to optimize. But I just know that once there is more mainstream acceptance, adoptance, and I think most importantly, verification of sourcing, we are going to completely upend

you know, basically call it allopathic health. You know, this was a a shield, you know, one of the guys, he doesn't make a appearance, but he's, know, who he is. He's the guy that saved, Anthony Lali last year from his surgery. He had, remember he almost died or whatever from the infection in his nasal cavity. And I forget his name. He's super cool guys. It was Costa Rican physician. And we started talking cause Dome was there and he introduced me. He's like, Oh, you're the peptide guy. And he started asking me a bunch of questions. And then I started telling him like, he's like, how can I get him in? He's like, well,

I'm probably not going to import them because I don't want to lose my job. And I'm like, what you talking about? Willis? And he's like, well, you know, yeah, I have to surgically remove people that have really bad issues, but he's like, way you and Dome talk about it, you know, and he's like, I watch your podcast and stuff. He's like, it sounds like there's probably stuff out there that's coming that could prevent carries and prevent infections and prevent all these things. I'm like, yeah, there is. And he goes, well, that's what I'm saying, bro. I don't want to import them into Costa Rica because I want to keep my job. So it was.

like this fundamental aha moment for me. And this conversation was on last Thursday. And I was thinking like, well, yeah. So you really have to start looking at this as like the physicians who are open minded to this are going to start prescribing these because they don't want to be left behind. But the guys that are in resistance because they're like, holy shit, dude, this is like, this is going to end my career or this is going to change my ability to make money and compensate myself. And you hear all the time, I spent all this money and I went to this med school and you know, I regret undergrad at Yale and

It's like, what did I spend it all with peptides? So there's a lot of people in the call it allopathic first line of defense medical community that are against peptides and they will fight against peptides to the death because it really does represent a fundamental, like I said, upheaval to their line of work and the way they handle things. But I think in the big picture, ultimately peptides will prevail and it won't end.

you know, the usage or the need for different physicians, it will just make physicians better because they have to understand this more. And I'll tell you this right now, like I'm in the process, it's done. It's just got to be shot. Now. we spent almost eight and a half months. Realistically, it'll be nine months by the end of this month, filming or not filming, but writing a certification course. And it's not just on peptides. It's on It's hormones by regulator, small molecules, and it's absolutely bleeding edge tip of the spear stuff.

And I feel like, I won't be the only one, but you know, as more and more information comes out for the clinical community, as they become more armed and more educated and more aware of what these things do, it'll just be a natural byproduct of stepping, you know, call it insurance, subrogated medicine away. And that's to me, Claudia, that's what's going to happen. You'll have the people who will never be on peptides. They'll still be connected to the allopathic. This is my co-painting it. I can afford this and this is what I get. And then you have all the people like us.

who literally will be working with doctors who disconnect from that system because they will call them functional medicine or health or whatever. And they'll just be doing all the advanced strategies and they won't even be connected to the allopathic standard care practice medicine paradigm anymore. They'll be completely out of it. So that's where I think it goes. But there's no question that most people who go that path will not be doing the stuff that they do now. Case in point, if you're an orthopedic surgeon,

and you have a 50 year old man or woman who tears their ACL, MCL, PCL, you can give them a $600 to $1,000 three month script of the Wolverine stacked and they will heal as good if not better than doing a $95,000 elective, you know, reconstruction of that knee with a you don't have the tensile strength at 50 years old anymore that you had at 18 or 20. So that's kind of like the real, I call it dichotomy that orthopedic surgeons are faced with right now of like, do I order this?

incredibly expensive surgery that I make a lot of money on, or do I actually just say, Hey, you know what? It's better for the patient if I just give them a five or $600 script for, you know, BPC and TB so that's kind of where we're going. But I think most people eventually, and I say this within the next two to three years is my hope who are like us will not be on that they will be just picking peptides because we know that peptides can fix everything.

Claudia von Boeselager (37:35)
I think education is a huge part. anyone listening today, well done because you're educating yourself And I think also to take a step back, the allopathic doctors are trained in medical school and who are big funders of medical school. Well, guess what? Big pharma. And so they diagnosis, prescription. And that's the way that your typical doctors are trained. And by the way, as we know, there's no nutrition taught in medical school, which is the medicine you feed your body every day. And peptides, of course, are not taught, which is regenerative medicine. And so I think the

Jay Campbell (37:47)
Warmer teeth. Yeah.

Nothing.

Claudia von Boeselager (38:01)
more people wake up to the fact of, why would I not give my body the opportunity to regenerate and support it with tools like peptides, like the hormones that it needs, et cetera, and actually heal itself. And then I can live really well for longer versus trying to manage my sick care, which we know doesn't work. And if you've got diabetes, et cetera, there's so many things that can be done. But if you go the traditional route, the allopathic route, it's a really painful and horrendous path with blindness and being in a wheelchair and amputation, et cetera. So

It's a choice at the end of the day that people can have. you have to think that

Jay Campbell (38:30)
You just said that because

think about that all the time. I remember that that was another aha moment for me back in 2015. And when somebody who paid a bunch of money with me to do a consult and I told them about Metformin and, and living insulin controlled and they then after they'd paid for another call, this was a very well-to-do person actually overseas and they brought their doctor on and the guy was like, well, I'm managing his type two diabetes. And I just looked at him and I looked at the guy and I said, dude, you need to get rid of this guy.

Claudia von Boeselager (38:54)
energy.

Jay Campbell (38:56)
I mean, I literally just said it right now. Like you don't understand. Like this man is literally keeping you sick and charging you for this. This is so insane. mean, again, that was in 2015 and I wasn't used to this, but that is the standard care of practice. And then remember too, they say to them, Oh, don't worry. Diabetes runs in your family. Every one of you is going to have this. And I always tell, when I hear people say that to me, I go, let me tell you something. The only thing genetic.

that runs in your family is a lack of activity and being sedentary. That's what's genetic, not the diabetes, but they literally tell them this. is, hundreds of years of brainwashing, teaching people that it's genetic and that a poor lifestyle is just a hereditary defect.

Claudia von Boeselager (39:41)
And then we know with epigenetics can play up to 90 % of an influence on things. So actually your genes are not even that important because 90 % is epigenetic and you can with lifestyle influences and supportive tools like these signaling molecules of peptides, you can do so. Let's dig into the different let's break them down for people who are not so familiar. So categories and then within the categories, what are some of your favorites that you'd like to share?

Jay Campbell (39:47)
or not.

Exactly. Yes.

So for sure. So I always want to start because I think most people who don't have any awareness of peptides have heard of True story and funny anecdote is at the, The longevity fast, know, the A4M thing in Vegas. This year I went to a lot of it because there's so many peptide booths and so many compound pharmacies. So I interviewed eight different compound pharmacy and it was the first person or the second person that came up to me.

They didn't know who I was. And I said, can you tell me what GLP stands for? Do know how many people of the eight that I interviewed got it right? Zero. Working at a compound pharmacy. I'm telling you, we are in a circus at this point about peptides. The average person doesn't know anything about them, doesn't understand what they mean, but anyway, it stands for glucagon-like peptide. the bottom line is a GLP peptide is

Claudia von Boeselager (40:35)
and they were working at a compounding pharmacy?

That's kind of scary.

Yeah.

Jay Campbell (40:54)
multifaceted, but it basically, you can look at it again, from a lay standpoint, as either a class one, class two or class three, and each one has a separate level of appetite suppression, metabolic enhancement, glucogen stimulation, know, insulin signaling improvement, in nutrient partitioning improvement, when we get into the class threes, like Retatrutide and the more the stuff that are coming, and then the fours and fives, you actually will have like

a myostatin inhibiting component will, you know, to enhance skeletal muscle protein, et cetera. So it's really, really interesting, but most people, my opinion today should not consider anything other than a stage two, like a ⁓ tirzepatide which is most people know as Manjaro or Zepp Bound. Because again, in addition to the appetite suppression, it also improves glucogen stimulation, which increases fight or flight hormones, increases metabolic rate slightly.

And it's just a profound product. And now let me just say Retatrutide is the obviously the highest level. It's a stage three. It's an Eli Lilly product, just like Tirzepatide is as a stage two. It should be approved by third quarter of this year. That's what we're hearing. I have been personally using it as a research molecule since 2023. Yeah, you of course, you're microdosing it. So the reality of it is, if you're going to use a GLP peptide,

Claudia von Boeselager (42:04)
I'm microdosing it too.

Jay Campbell (42:10)
You want to learn how to microdose it. ⁓ Do not under any circumstances, please ever use the package insert recommended dose, or probably if you're working with a garden variety doctor, what they recommend, because as you've already said, and I've already indicated, all they want to do is make money off you. They're not about improving your health. They're about giving you the highest dose and then titrating higher and higher and higher. So understand what a microdose is. If you're using red off for most women, it's somewhere between like

point one five to point five. 0 a couple of times a week for men. You know, it can be, I think, go as high up to like point seven five, but I think that's too high. Like for me, I do point two five twice and sometimes three times a week, depending on how lean I want to that is going to vary, you know, depending on what's going on in my life and what I'm doing. But I'll tell you this right now, if you microdose at those levels, whether you're a man or woman, you absolutely can do it year round.

And you absolutely will not destroy your receptor sensitivity or hit receptor, send you Asian or blow up, out your receptors. as I always say, what goes up, must come down. You know, it's always best to cycle, but if you're using a therapeutic, you know, micro dose of the say, Retatrutide and you're a woman and you're doing 0.15 or 0.10 or 0.20 or whatever, you know, a couple of times a week, can easily get to where you want to go. And then, you know, half the dose and half the frequency.

Claudia von Boeselager (43:27)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Campbell (43:29)
And literally within a month you're off, right? And then you go back on again, when you again need it. It'll say you go off the wagon or let's say you break a leg or something. There's always a reason that you lose, you exactly. You, you, you, you slack a little bit in your, in your diet, which, know, is normal and human. and so that's how you use it. And again, it's a tool, from GLPs. And again, I do want to say, please understand if you have a hormone deficiency, don't just jump on these things, not knowing that stuff.

Claudia von Boeselager (43:37)
out vacation, whatever it might be.

Jay Campbell (43:53)
And of course change your lifestyle when you are using them. But from GLPs, I would then go to like a growth hormone agonist peptide, because again, they're very synergistic with hormones. the best ones for sure, the three that I would always mention first would be for women, it's ipamorelin For men, it's tesamorelin because it's an FDA approved drug that actually reduces belly fat. It's called a grifta. But if you use it and you're a guy and you have belly fat, it tears through it better than anything else. So it's a pretty amazing growth hormone agonist peptide. And then you also have

The least which is but not the least effective, but the least recommended is CJC 1295. And the reason I don't recommend it as much as a lot of people have a reaction to it, right? You inject it, you get red, you can you might have a slight bit of nausea. Some people get like that niacin flush. Almost everyone that I know that takes that experiences that

Claudia von Boeselager (44:30)
Thank

Mm-hmm.

Jay Campbell (44:40)
⁓ It doesn't mean it doesn't work. It's just something that you can avoid if you use IPA and Tessa and you'll probably get the same if not equal effects. So that's just my recommendation. There is one other one to mention and that's five AOD. And that's also one of those peptides that in the research is far more effective than in use. Like most people that use that are like, ⁓ I don't really see the same results I get from the other three. So there's your growth hormone

Claudia von Boeselager (45:03)
say someone was like microdosing the retas or a GLP. Would you add the growth hormone to that? Or would you say that that's a constant? what about cycling with the growth hormones?

Jay Campbell (45:12)
No,

that's actually a great question. I'm always in, I'll just let the cat out of the bag. So I have the J Campbell, 2026 God stack coming very, very soon. ⁓ we designed it while I was in Europe, which is super cool. ⁓ I think a micro dose of a GLP and some form of growth hormone agonist peptide is literally like a Holy triune stack. Like you almost have to do that because again, you want the catabolism prevention.

Claudia von Boeselager (45:32)
God's second.

Jay Campbell (45:38)
You want optimized hormones and there's a huge synergy between therapeutic hormones and growth hormone agonist peptides. So from a muscle burning and fat loss. no, no, no, no, no. For women too. No, no, no. Huge, huge synergy. No, there's no difference. I want this to be very clear. There's absolutely no difference ⁓ in the effects of peptides and testosterone in men or women. It's just women need a way less dose of hormones from a testosterone standpoint.

Claudia von Boeselager (45:46)
Fermento, is this for men, Jay?

Okay.

Jay Campbell (46:06)
And sometimes they're going to need a less dose of peptides, not in all cases. And obviously there's outliers and some women are bigger and more muscular. and obviously, you know, maybe female bodybuilders or bikini competitors or stuff. And so they need a little bit more than someone else on average, they're the effects are the same. ⁓ the only other thing I would go into and we can talk about right now is what would be like mitochondrial peptides. Right. So in my J. Campbell Godstack, I rotate.

three mitochondrial peptides every month. So it'll be like, think of it like this. So let me just mention the peptides. So MOTS-c is a profound, ATP synthase modulator. So you basically will get, it's like, literally is exercising an injection. If you take enough of it. Now, again, it's not a magic bullet. You still got to do the lifestyle and you got to exercise and do all that stuff. But like a healthy person,

can take six to eight milligrams a day of injection of Matzi, which by the way is almost an entire vial of 10 milligrams ⁓ and do it for about six to seven to eight days in a row and lose 5 % body fat without a doubt. So someone like us who's already lean and active and pretty much fit, that's like the ultimate cheat code peptide. If you really want to get super lean in a very short amount of time, you take that every other day for a week.

Claudia von Boeselager (47:02)
Yeah.

Wow. Wow.

Jay Campbell (47:22)
Right? So you would take like, again, it doesn't matter whether you're a man or woman, you would take somewhere between four and eight milligrams a day every other day for like seven to 10 days. And you will lose 5 % body fat again, assuming everything else is dialed in. You're doing your cardio, your living insulin controlled, your hormonally optimize your lifting rates, et cetera. But that's an amazing peptide. The other one is SS 31 and SS 31 has actually been changed because some scandalous pharmaceutical company patented it for some diagnosis.

That's retargeting. Dude, it's the most insane diagnosis, some sort of kidney malfunction that almost it's a rare genetic condition, but they somehow got that thing taken out of circulation now. And that's easily one of the greatest peptides ever because for the cost and for what it does, it is, I call it the amplifier peptide. So everything that you're doing in your life, if you take SS 31 slash elamipretide I get called out now, if I don't say a elamipretide with it, it improves cellular signaling cascades. So.

it will improve your testosterone. Theoretically, you can lower your testosterone, your therapeutic testosterone dosage when you're on SS31. You can lower your dosage of anything that you're taking when you're on SS31 because it amplifies cellular signaling. the most recent research on SS31 that's coming out for people that have severe autoimmune compromised or are severe autoimmune compromised, if they take 10 to 12 milligrams a day, it completely changes

so many signaling cascades in the body that it literally will make you healthier and make you start feeling better and really start working on the pathways that are compromised, whatever it is, autoimmune diagnosis or disease or dysregulation. Like people with Lyme, know, people with like serious, like heavy metal toxicity and stuff like that, cause they, what they were exposed to. If you take a super high dose of SS 31 for a couple of weeks, you can completely reverse the problems. Now this is new stuff.

You know, I don't talk about this a lot because this is all new that people have been telling me about this and I've been looking at some studies on it, but it's an amazing peptide. And for the cost, can take high doses and it's relatively inexpensive because it doesn't cost as much as say a MOTS-c which would be like three times the cost, right? For the higher dosage, but that's another one. And then the other one that I put in there, which is my three rotates is sloop. Sloop there it is, but it's SLU PP-332 and it is a small molecule.

discovered in 2023 by the University of Florida. They have like a performance Institute there. And it's just a small molecule. It's an oral product that if you take it, it dramatically increases ATP synthase. And so it just drives up demand for cellular fuel. So when you take an oral supplement of that, we have a product that BioLongevity Labs called ShredMax.

Claudia von Boeselager (49:39)
of this.

Jay Campbell (50:00)
⁓ It will dramatically make you leaner and dramatically make you stronger when you're training. So it literally increases force production. So you can take a hundred milligrams in the morning and go to the gym at 11 o'clock and literally have three or four more reps at whatever your max lift is in just three to four hours. Right. So if you take it over a month, it will make you leaner and it will make you stronger. And so obviously if you're training, you can build more muscle and burn more fat just because it's that powerful. So I rotate those products every month.

So what I do is I'll take like MOTS-c three days a week, somewhere between four to eight milligrams. I always inject an IM, I always go into my arms ⁓ and then I'll go a month with SS 31, same thing every other day. So it's like Monday, Wednesday and Friday. You sometimes maybe I'll inject on a Saturday if I'm doing something on Saturday and I want energy, but it's like three shots a week for a month. And then I'll do the exact same thing. So that way you never ever hit.

Claudia von Boeselager (50:43)
Mm-hmm.

Jay Campbell (50:54)
receptor attenuation or saturate your receptors, you're always changing into a new molecule. Now, the only thing I will say is when you do this or you employ the strategy, you have to do stuff to recharge and replenish your And we just happened, no coincidence or anything, but we just made a product called bio recharge and it just came out literally Monday of this week. Well, actually we started selling it internally Friday, but it came out publicly on Monday.

And it's like four different products that will improve mitochondrial efficiency while you're taking on or while you're off. let's say you do this for three months and then you take an entire month off. You'd want to take bio recharge, you know, every day that while the time you're off of the mitochondria to replenish your mitochondria. And it's like, you know, all the products, it's like carbon 60. it's a pomegranate. No, it doesn't have any, NAD in it. It's got pomegranate. Hold on. think I actually had some.

Claudia von Boeselager (51:39)
NAD? NAD plus in that?

Jay Campbell (51:46)
I literally just got sent to the brand new. It's...

Claudia von Boeselager (51:48)
Okay. Yeah, because

I heard with the MOTS-c, the first two weeks can be a bit rough as you transition. And so I heard a recommendation to take like an NAD plus while you're transitioning on the MOTS-c, for

Jay Campbell (51:58)
Well,

We do have a product that's a blend of five amino injectable, NAD and MOTS-c together. So biorecharge is pomegranate extract, should know this, urolithin A, alpha-lipidic acid, and it also has ⁓ C60. So all four of these are almost like molecular sponges for your mitochondria. So they really will go to replenishing.

Claudia von Boeselager (52:09)
Yeah, effect.

Jay Campbell (52:20)
and restoring, because again, when you're, you're doing, you know, mitochondrial eight, you know, peptides, you're definitely pushing and you're revving, you know, pretty hard, especially if you're lean and relatively muscular and training very hard. So you want to use something like this. You don't have to buy this, but this is obviously a bunch of things together. our biochemists specifically formulated this in a way that would be like, this is when you take, when you're off your mitochondrial peptides to replenish, but an NAD is always good.

Claudia von Boeselager (52:45)
like that.

Jay Campbell (52:48)
⁓ it's my personal opinion that the leaner and more efficient you are, the less you notice NAD improving your performance, heavy metabolically dysregulated people dramatically notice NAD and the reason that is it's cause they don't have any, they have no NAD production because their body is like, you know, metabolically dysregulated. So they notice it more, but it's always a good idea to supplement with NAD ⁓ or to even take a patch or take injection. I personally recommend people doing like once a month.

Claudia von Boeselager (53:06)
Yeah.

Jay Campbell (53:17)
depending on where you're at, ⁓ know, NAD ⁓ IVs and having like a huge bolus dosage, you know, with glutathione and some other, you know, cellular protectants in that. That's kind of the way I take NAD. I'm not a regular NAD user, but that's also because I'm very, very lean and I've measured my NAD levels and I have very high natural, ⁓ you know, intra-individual NAD levels. Yeah, no, I mean, clearly I'm very energetic and vibrational, but ⁓ the truth is,

Claudia von Boeselager (53:38)
I I can tell Jay. You're full of energy.

Yeah.

Jay Campbell (53:44)
I think NAD and it's against my opinion. think everyone needs it as you get older, but if you really, you know, are low energy, you know, you're probably needed a lot more than somebody who's higher energy because they just have natural, you know, I had Dr. Shee on my podcast way back when I had a podcast, which was in 2024. And we talked about that and he was like, I'm going to send you my powder. I'm like, bro, I'm telling you, man, just test me. And at that point, it was just very beginning of having tests. Actually it was in 2023 when he tested me.

Claudia von Boeselager (54:06)
I don't mean that.

Jay Campbell (54:12)
And it was a very expensive test. And of course he paid for it. And he said that I tested the highest of any person that he ever tested naturally for NAD. And he didn't, well, he did my wife's too. And my wives were pretty good, but not as high as mine, but that's why I was like, yeah, that's why I don't feel NAD patches or, know, just even NAD injection. Cause I injected NAD for about a year as a peptide. And I just never really noticed anything, but NAD is definitely something that as you get older is very critically important to take.

Claudia von Boeselager (54:17)
There you go,

He's an Aiden. ⁓

Yeah, I do it Subcutaneously and I notice it where I need it is when I travel, especially across time zones. And that's a real game changer for me because then when I land and it might be like a 10, 12, whatever plus hour journey and I'm sharp and I'm switched on and I've got energy levels like I would if I had

Jay Campbell (54:51)
For sure. Do you take

like mito pure or mito Xan or any of those things too for the cellular protection? Yeah. Yeah. Urolithin A is obviously huge. if you're using anything that powers your mitochondria, you got to use Urolithin A There's no doubt.

Claudia von Boeselager (54:56)
particularly for the urolithin A exactly for the mitology clearing out.

It's great.

Yeah. So one last peptide I want to ask you, and I'd love to do a round two at some point because I have so many more questions we didn't get to, but I want to talk about neuropeptide Cmax. Have you tried it? You take it.

Jay Campbell (55:14)
Okay. Yeah, no, absolutely.

So, ⁓ I like all of the nootropic peptides. I'm not a huge fan of anything but cerebrolysin and the truth is, is cerebrolysin and nobody can sell it legally because they will literally come after you and in the peptide space. And I have theories as to why they will do that, which probably are not worth right. Talking about publicly, but, ⁓ what's so crazy Claudia is that in the Balkan countries, cerebrolysin and is on.

EMT buses, right? So somebody suffers a heart attack or stroke or something and they rush out to the scene. They jack them up with a massive bolus of cerebrolysin to protect the brain, which may or may not be deprived of oxygen from whatever had happened to them. And when you hear those kinds of stories and you think about like, you can't even get cerebrolysin in the US or in the UK or something like that, you're like, what kind of a conspiracy is going on?

that in those countries, they, realized it to be as amazing it is, but in America, can't get Look, I'm who I am, I know people that have it. And so my wife and I both use cerebrolysin and probably once a quarter, we do it like seven to 10 days in a row and we take a very high dose. take like six milligrams. mean, the vials that I get from this guy are 15 milligrams of vials. So I basically get like not even two and a half shots out of a vial, but, um, I find it as amazing. I mean, I,

Claudia von Boeselager (56:10)
Yeah.

You feel like super super fun? What do you notice, Jay

Jay Campbell (56:32)
within,

well, within three hours of injecting cerebrolysin and I feel more calm. Like I feel more balanced. Like I don't feel like, it's, know, the MZT drug or, you know, Bradley Cooper and limitless or anything like that. Like the only thing that does that to me is literally, Madafina and that's the only thing that ever has made me feel like smarter and like,

But it creates

Claudia von Boeselager (56:54)
Limitless.

Jay Campbell (56:55)
headaches, right? Like anybody who's ever taken modafinil, especially if you've taken like a moderately high dose, you know, after a couple of months of using all of sudden, one afternoon, you're just sitting there and it's like somebody's hitting your head with a sledgehammer and you're like, ⁓ I don't think I should be taking this. So that's, that's one of those drugs where it's like, wow, but yeah, I'm going to stay away from that. But, but that's the only nootropic that does that for me. C max, slang.

Claudia von Boeselager (57:09)
Time to stop.

Jay Campbell (57:20)
there's a couple other ones, ⁓ dihexone, all of them are nice. and I think that, you know, you can probably intranasally, you know, snort them or inhale them and get just the same effect as you can injecting them, depending on the dose and depending on how sensitive you are to them. But, they're just, again, when you compare them to like cerebrolysin, they're clearly a step down. mean, cerebrolysin is literally the A plus nootropic peptide that's out there.

There are some really, really smart people that I converse with who tell me that there are commercially not available peptides way stronger than cerebrolysin. And again, I don't know if I talked to you about this on this podcast. Let me just say this. Like China is the synthesizer of 80 % of the world's peptides. shouldn't say 80, 60, 40, the other 40, or really 35 comes from India, but India is on lock by the pharmaceutical giants.

So nothing is coming out of India that like makes research peptides, whereas the research peptides are coming out of China. costs so much money to dispose of the peptide waste. let's say, for example, for your audience, let's say you make a hundred thousand vials of BPC 157. Everybody knows that as a healing peptide, 20 % of that batch is going to be bad.

no matter what you do, no matter how quality your synthesizing machines are, all your production facility, et cetera, 20 % is waste. Now you have to destroy it because you can't just dump it in the ocean, right? Like they have to actually incinerate it and it costs a lot of money to do that. So that's why there's no synthesis in the United States or the UK or even the EU right now. There's smaller, smaller companies coming online, but we're three to five years is what I'm being told.

before we can actually manufacture in the West. And so that's why everything comes out of China right now. ⁓ But it's also, it's advantageous because it's cheaper. So once we start synthesizing in the Western countries, you're gonna see an increase in cost. And I really kind of think that what's happening with the whole RFK, know, moving peptides from class two to class one, I really think it's like a slow roll to get to the point where like, again, all the small companies can patent them for disease diagnosis.

Claudia von Boeselager (59:16)
somewhere. Yep.

Mm-hmm.

Jay Campbell (59:26)
and then jack up the rates and then at the same time be ready to start manufacturing in the U S when they can bulk compound. And I think it's just a slow burn. like, you know, for us meeting the peptide using community, I think that research peptides probably have a two year window still remaining before they completely shut it down. And it just moves to bulk compounding because then that will be when they can control the synthesis. Cause right now China still controls the

Claudia von Boeselager (59:49)
then it's the testing before and after to make sure that it's pure and all the rest of it too. Jay, I would love to continue. I need to bring my kids to a musical.

Jay Campbell (59:53)
Well, so let me say that. Okay, you guys, let me just say one quick thing. So we're

working, the American Peptide Association is working on creating a triple certification for the world. so the goal, because exactly what you said, like if we can verify that all peptides that anybody chooses to use, whether they come from the direct to consumer, which is research or obviously the bulk compounding space ⁓ is what it says it is.

that we're going to fix the world because as you know, there's a lot of bad actors and there's a lot of bad products out there. And again, 75 % of research peptides today are either one underdosed, two full of toxins and heavy metals or three counterfeit. That's where we are right now. So be very cautious where you get your peptides from and make sure that the company provides a certificate of authenticity and is also, you know, legitimate in the marketplace before you purchase from them. Cause there's a lot of fake peptides.

Claudia von Boeselager (1:00:34)
Very.

Yeah, really, really, really important, everyone listening and watching us today. So, Jay, this has been an absolute pleasure. I literally could go on for another two hours. I'm not even going to fracture the questions, so please feel free to.

Jay Campbell (1:00:52)
Just have me back. Just have me

back. I'd love to break down peptides for you again, but thank you so much for having me. It was definitely an awesome show. You asked great questions.

Claudia von Boeselager (1:00:59)
Thank you so much. Absolute pleasure to have you on. Thank you, Jay. Thank you to your audience for tuning in as well.