I believe we share a view, and excitement, about a fundamental shift occurring in healthcare versus disease care, and getting to the root cause and solving for issues before they become debilitating diseases, to enable us to live better. And reach our true potential.
Why, in your view, is this shift occurring, and how do you think it could be used to redefine primary care?

Mohammed Enayat: Why is this shift occurring is because the need has evolved. Humans were plagued by diseases, acute, initially, acute conditions. And so, science developed, we innovate, as humans we're remarkably intelligent, and we've developed structures to, to drive innovation, really. And we innovated in understanding more about the human body and what drives those acute conditions, whether it's heart attacks, strokes, et cetera, et cetera.
We reached a point where we could manage those conditions, and we've reached a point where we can manage and extend life through managing some stability of those conditions, to a certain degree.
However, science has continued to progress, and the understanding of the human body has become more granular. We now understand more about the cellular processes that go on, and the interconnected nature of our biology, which has meant that we can now look at health slightly differently.
And it means that we can push for a revolution, or evolution, of the global understanding of health. Starting at the very definition of the word. And, you know, we know it's, traditionally, it's defined in the Oxford Concise Dictionary as the absence of disease. However, we believe, and we share this amongst our cohort of passionate and self-experimented, you know, but also, and this is why we're passionate because we feel the difference ourselves, that health can be redefined, away from this proxy to disease status, to a state of vitality.
Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: And, and so this is what unites us. This is what emboldens us. This is what empowers us. This is what gives us our raison d'etre, our belief that we need to spread this more and more amongst lots of people. We need to help people understand that this definition of health, and the associated systems that deliver this nirvana of definition, need to be outdated.
Right? And not saying we need to replace traditional medicine. We need to augment traditional medicine. We need to evolve traditional medicine. So that, alongside traditional medicine, we can deliver healthcare around a state of vitality. Because better health, better consciousness of your state, engineers more conscious humans. More conscious humans, like ripples, turn into waves, develops conscious communities, which can develop, you know, conscious societies.
And this is ultimately what, when I speak to anyone that's in this space, I really enjoy it because we are all united by these, this belief that reflected on our own personal journeys, which is the most, you know, this is why we're all so passionate.
Claudia von Boeselager: Profound, right?

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, when it's reflected on your own journey, and what you've been through, and how you've utilized science, innovations in science, to evolve yourself, and to overcome the challenges of life, then you want to share that. And when you've shared that, and you've seen other people transform, you want to share that even more. And you see how they individually transformed, they can come these beacons of knowledge and empowerment for their children, their families, their friends-

Claudia von Boeselager: And inspire. Yeah. The ripple effect, right?

Mohammed Enayat: Ripple turns to waves. It really can do. And, you know, we hope to, kind of, just inspire with some, sometimes just little tips and tweaks that people can do, to just notice a little bit of a shift of state that will encourage them to want to learn more. Or, at the other end, we can give them a transformative experience in 90 minutes where it's like a lightning shock to their system, that "Wow, I didn't realize I could feel like that."
And so, yeah, that's a little bit about, yeah, just to your question. And people listening might notice that a go off on a bit of a tangent, so, Claudia, you have to reel me back in.

Claudia von Boeselager: I do too. I do too. So yeah, no, but I agree with you, and it's such an exciting space and there's so many exciting topics that we're going to dig into now, shortly.
So, looking forward to that, but, maybe before we do that, we can take a step back and talk a bit about your background and training 'cause you come from a traditional medicine perspective. Do you remember the moment you decided why you wanted to become a doctor. And what was your earliest memory in healthcare that influenced the way that you see the healthcare world now?

Mohammed Enayat: So, my earliest memory of why I wanted, I actually wanted to be an astronaut when I was a child. I really did. I wanted-

Claudia von Boeselager: You and Elon Musk.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah. It's still a dream to go to space.

Claudia von Boeselager: Well, me too. I'm going to go with my five-year-old, we've made a pact, so yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Wow. Fantastic. Maybe I'll join you.

Claudia von Boeselager: Well, Richard Branson's showed this week, or last week, that it’s possible, right?

Mohammed Enayat: Exactly. Yeah, of course.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: And so, I actually wanted to be a natural. And I remember as a child coming across a fact, maybe I was, like, pre-ten, 8, 9, 10, I can't remember how old I was, where you had to have 20/20 vision. I was told that you had to have 20/20 vision, to be an astronaut.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah, I heard that one, yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: And then that just killed my dreams at that point, I was just, like, I remember going for an eye test and not having 20/20 vision.
And it just, like, killed my dreams, but no, I think I've always been fascinated in science. And I actually went to school in the City of London in the square mile of the city, for people that don't know London, then, the City of London is like the square mile of the city. We call it where-

Claudia von Boeselager: Like Wall St.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, like Wall St, where all the financial institutes are.
I was going from 11 years old, taking the Tube. You know, getting into the square mile, being surrounded by financial services businesses. And we're kind of groomed that at school to go work in the City.
And the two options were going to work in finance or following the passion for science. My parents were really keen for me, my Mum, particularly, was very keen for me to become a doctor.
My Dad was a bit more, you know, he was like, you know, finance or be a doctor. And he said something that, at the time when I was choosing, 'cause you have to choose your A Levels, which dictate where you're going to go, he said something to me, which stuck with me at that time, which was you can choose a career where, with your money, you can do good, or you can choose a career just by doing your work you're, you're getting blessings from people without even trying. And it's those blessings that will carry you forwards to a happier life. And it was just that, that made me say, okay, Yeah. Okay. Look, maybe I should be a doctor.

Claudia von Boeselager: Wow. Those are wise words from your Dad. Well done.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, he's a philosopher.

Claudia von Boeselager: Inspiration. Very cool.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah, then I went to study medicine at Kings College and Imperial College in London. And, actually, my first lens into an alternative or progressive approach to health was, in 2007, I did health management degree at Imperial, and my topic of the thesis was: How to Drive Innovations in the Health System. And the focus was the stem cell industry.
At that time, it was probably one of the most emerging, novel, interesting spaces within medicine, for a while. And showed so much potential, the way it was described. You know, there's pluripotent potential of regeneration and self-healing. And, when I went to go work in San Diego for a while in the stem cell facility, I just became absolutely immersed in the idea, the concept, of this self-regenerative potential of the human body.
And we're, kind of, academically taught the principles of it, very superficially,

Claudia von Boeselager: Arms-length, yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, very superficially at medical school in first one, two years of medical school, which is, which is the academic time. But then we're not applying that lens to treating people. Appreciating the human body. If that makes sense. Right?

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: And so for me, it's seeing that, and understanding the regenerative capacity of the body, and taking that lens, that we're actually a balance between generation, regeneration, and degeneration. And when we're a child and baby, where generation is stronger than degeneration, and we come to a fulcrum in our twenties, probably, late twenties, and then that starts to, that shift starts, the imbalance starts to go the other way.

Claudia von Boeselager: Unless you biohack yourself, yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, unless you biohack yourself.
And so, yes, that was my first opening, as a lens and a perspective. And I think, combined with that, the appreciation that there is a massive adoption lag between science and medicine.
So medicine is the application of science through systems and protocols in a learning-based environment on humans, obviously. And there was, at that time, there was a known seven-year adoption lag between an innovation in science to when it actually reaches a patient. And that's probably widened.

Claudia von Boeselager: Why's that?

Mohammed Enayat: That's probably widened.

Claudia von Boeselager: Why's that?
Because of like FDA approvals and things like that, or why?

Mohammed Enayat: Funding, trials, and then education as well.
And so, by the time it was approved, you then have to educate doctors on how to utilize that test, that therapy, that intervention. And you have to build it into a system. So, actually, I think it's now become much bigger in seven years just looking at it.
 I feel like around disease it's seven years, but around prevention, it's probably closer to 30 years, 20 years.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah, because it's-

Mohammed Enayat: Traditional medicine.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah, a mentality. And I think the conversation I had with someone, you know, based on the west coast, US, it's very much medical school's financed by pharmaceutical industry. So very much a certain way of thinking, right? And preventative medicine would really require, from the medical school, a fundamental shift, and actually thinking about how medicine is taught, I would think, right?
So it's a much longer process.

Mohammed Enayat: Yes. The education piece is absolutely critical. And going, even, back to how we, it starts at the very definition, you know. How we define health. If we define health as absence of disease, okay, let's define disease. Disease is a cluster of these symptoms. And pattern recognition. You train doctors and students around, and not just doctors, the whole healthcare, allied healthcare, nurses, physios, et cetera, around these clusters of symptoms that have diagnosis codes, right? And then off that is how you test, this is how you manage. And then the kind of algorithms of care, according to that, those patterns.
If we start redefining health and say, actually, state of vitality, what takes us away from state of vitality. Oh, a bit of brain fog. I'm not sleeping as well. I'm not waking up energized. You know, these are the new symptomatology that we need to create, to then create new diagnosis codes.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: You know, let's just say detoxification issues or-

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Methylation, et cetera, et cetera, we test for them, then we can manage them, right? And so, yes, we have patterns of care based around that. We can then develop a new system of delivering healthcare, that is an adjunct to the disease-based system, that teaches doctors how to deliver personalized preventative medicine that has reduced down the seven year, and probably longer, adoption lag.
And this helps you conceptualize it very easily. Look how long it takes us. We go from, we grew up at a time when it started being fat-free, yeah?

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Then it went to sugar-free right? And it's only now we realize that you really need healthy fats as a society.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: We're educating that. But how long have we, in those 20 years, been driving people towards having cell members without healthy fats in them.
And then we wonder why they get vascular dementias, and strokes, and heart disease-

Claudia von Boeselager: Obesity, type-two diabetes...

Mohammed Enayat: yeah, that's the sugar-free.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: And now we understand the sugar-free is really where we need to be. So when we look at preventative health, long-term health. And sometimes it falls under public health, you know, this health prevention, falls underAndpublic health. And public health also look after things like COVID, and management of the public from a safety perspective, which is absolutely critical, reducing the spread of diseases, et cetera. But they also look after prevention.
The adoption of science from a preventive model is based around a retrospective analysis over 30 years, where you have many confounding factors, and you can't isolate them. And so it becomes very bland, generic advice. Okay, eat more fruit and veg, exercise more, and don't stress.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: And don't smoke. That is lifestyle medicine, as it's taught in medical school.

Claudia von Boeselager: And I'm sure it has a following of about a thousand percent by everyone who hears it. They're like, yep, I've heard that before. Yeah. No, it needs to be much more personalized. And I'd love to touch on that in a moment.
And can you talk a little bit about your journey from traditional medicine to becoming recognized as the UK's number one doctor of biohacking?

Mohammed Enayat: I don't know who recognized me, but yes. Yeah. I mean, I think there's not many physicians in the UK that are in this space, but also in the space integrating therapies with this deep-type medicine.
I started my career of wanting to be a surgeon. I started core surgical training. I did some placement support and trauma surgery. And a lot of my junior doctor training in the Central London and other teaching hospitals were based around surgical rotations.
I soon realized that I didn't want to become super-specialized. I'm more of a generalist, a polymath. And, having done a health management degree and become really interested in how to drive adoption of innovation into the system, I did a further kind of fellowship in health management called a DASI fellowship, which essentially gave me some time and space to go work within the design and development of the health system. Or public health system. The NHS, the commissioners, the academic health science networks, that spread knowledge, and drive innovation into practice.
And during that time, I worked on some really interesting projects. We're connecting up Pentonville Prison to Whittington Hospital, through telemedicine. I worked with expert patient groups where patients would teach other patients on how to manage their diabetes.

Claudia von Boeselager: Oh wow.

Mohammed Enayat: Far better than doctors would teach other patients, right?

Claudia von Boeselager: I guess they just said black or white, like, you know, when you get up in the morning, you do this, or whatever. Are able to explain-

Mohammed Enayat: The experience of living with something, right?

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah. True.

Mohammed Enayat: Allows you to connect with someone more. Allows them to ask you more questions we, as physicians, don't even think about, you know.
You know, when you wake up, do you do this first or do you do that first? Oh, if you do this first I've found A-B-C. So there, there was something that, really, that shifted my mind about, who is the expert? Is it me as a physician, you know? Or is it actually the patient, you know? Who lives with the symptoms you know?

Claudia von Boeselager: That's actually a really Interesting point, and I'm just thinking about that now, because, you know, would you consider that almost like the future preventative, but also of healthcare, because having the opportunity to talk to someone else, if you were to, say, have a certain disease.
This isn't, I think, normal medical practice that you speak to other patients, right? Would that not be, you know, the workaround or, like, building those communities where people share that-

Mohammed Enayat: 100%. 100%. And these expert patient groups are doing some excellent work. Self-management programs, they're running in diabetes, where it's about empowering the person that has the disease to develop tools, to understand their body better. They can intervene better.
And now technology has moved at such a pace where we can really empower people to do that, right? Continuous glucose monitors.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Health wearable rings, et cetera, et cetera. Right? Yeah, exactly. So yes, the short answer is that empowering patients to be comfortable and creating safe space and boundaries for them to be able to hold these groups and forums is only a good thing.
So that was a real eye-opening for me in many ways, that experience. And that led me to the point where I was okay, actually, I do want to finish my training and become a consultant in the UK system so it gives me the freedom to practice to a certain degree. And so I finished my general practice training. And also I was interested in chronic disease and managing communities.
And so I did my primary care GP training in Royal London Hospital, and then the attached Tower Hamlets area. I worked in really deprived, I wanted to work in somewhere where there was a big need, and complex general practice, because disease presents late. Inner city, urban areas where access is more limited and understanding, and education is less.
And so that was thoroughly enjoyable and also thoroughly frustrating at the same time. Not the area, but just to see how you delivering care is managed, ultimately. How the health system manages you to deliver care. How it limits your ability to think about the human body in a more holistic interconnected way. In a regenerative way. How it does with, you know, lots of challenges.
And so where I was managing patients who were coming in with the same problems, whether they're 25-year-olds living with life-long eczema. Debilitating. And all I could do was give them a steroid cream or antibiotics, and the same cycle over and over and over again. Or seeing the gradual decline, sometimes steady, step-wise, decline, of patients that had a whole list of medications.
And my tool kits were more medications, or referring into a specialist within the hospital who'll prescribe more medications. Or give more drugs, usually. Or who'll end up down a, kind of, investigative route. And really just feeling that patients are disempowered, you know. We're empowering our patients with this type of healthcare.
And, actually, I've done a TEDx talk. And in my TEDx talk, to come back to your question earlier, what is my earliest subconscious memory that I've kind of put together afterwards, was being a child, one of my youngest memories was at my uncle's funeral. And being in a room, and hearing from everyone around me: "When it's your time, it's your time."
And that paradigm: "You're healthy until you're sick." And seeing that manifest as a doctor was really, like, okay, this has to be more. It has to be more.

Mohammed Enayat: And that led me on continuing that learning journey that I started when I started looking at stem cell medicine, and to look at alternative approaches outside of the UK to really inspire and understand what else is out there.
And alongside this time, my sister, a cosmetic dermatologist, UK and US-trained what's to bring the medical spa concept to the UK. About eight years ago. So we founded LMS Wellness, and really just looked at, from the outside in, how to reverse aging, the effects of aging, from the outside in. Longevity of your appearance, really?

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: How do skin cells age? How do, how did the tissues anatomically move? How does hair follicles go through different phases? And then designing protocols based on that. Adopting innovations in science and putting them together in protocols and stacks. To reverse the signs of skin aging. About what happens when the skin thins, pigmentation, redness, pores, laxity. And then doing like really, you know, treatments, and then seeing that, wow, this stuff works. That's really interesting.
Hair. Okay. I can get new baby hair to grow in your 40s. That's really interesting. Having gray haired people turning a bit less gray. That was really interesting. And so I actually really enjoyed the aesthetic medicine because it allowed me to apply principles of regenerative medicine, which is around stem cells and using that cellular approach to health, and see the objective results with the eyes, you know, that's really quite powerful.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: And then that kind of said, at the same time, with those patients, I would see, 'cause we would fly around the world and see those patients. We would understand that those patients wouldn't actually go to the NHS for their health. They'd be flying out to wellness centers in Germany, Austria, Spain, Italy, for two to three weeks of wellness. Feeling great. And then coming back to life, their jet set life, and then the effects not lasting very long.
That was probably about 2014/15, I started to get exposed to this .Now remember I'm a UK-trained, NHS, blinkers on-

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Doctor, right? Who's had a little bit of exposure to stem cells, but that's about it. And then I started to see people going to Germany and Austria, and then understanding they use a very diet and detoxification-based approach to health.
And I was like, wow, that's interesting. You know, that's really interesting. Then I came across functional medicine, started, you know, to study in the US at the IFM. And, then started, I went to a conference, first medical conference I've been to where I was in a room with osteopaths, and nutritionists, and other physicians. And I was like, really out of my comfort zone.
I was like this, you know, bringing forward that kind of entrenched, arrogant, kind of, traditional medicine.

Claudia von Boeselager: Mentality, yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, it trains you to be very arrogant and, like, dismissive.

Claudia von Boeselager: That you know all, yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Very dismissive. And I'll come back to that dismissive point in a second.
And then sat there, listened, I was like, wow, there has to be some truth to this, like, you can't have this many people say that they're reversing diseases like excema, and psoriasis and, you know, mild rheumatoid arthritis, et cetera.
And I was like, they can't all be, and then one of the faculty teaching there, Mark Menolascino, a true internal physician, and I just loved how he described it. And then he was giving a series of talks and I asked if he would mentor me and I saw, like, different mentors. Came across, around that time, Molly Maloof.

Claudia von Boeselager: She's coming on the podcast in August, yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: She's great, yeah. So, you know, we did a project together where she was one of the early adopters of this type of medicine. And so she, kind of, coached me a little bit and did a project with us. And we started to develop with Mark, et cetera, and within my team, programs for our patients that we were recruiting through aesthetic medicine who were interested in this type of thing. Who were going to Germany, Austria.
So they're already had their eyes opened a little bit, and understood that health can be delivered slightly differently. And then from there it was just double down. It was just double down. It was just seeing patients get results and just being blown away. This is it. This is my new mission for the next 10, 20, 30, God knows how long, but this is it. We want to continue to replicate these results. So I want to roll it out to other autoimmune conditions, and other conditions. And what was really nice was the ability to converge functional medicine, which is root cause medicine, into drivers of inflammation, and state of health, alongside longevity medicine, or science, I should say, which is more about the long-term. You know, what happens as we age, as we talked about earlier.
And they're finding the sweet spot in the middle, which is probably performance medicine. And healthspan optimization, yeah.
Right. Which is, like, actually, okay. Beyond just spending your life, you know, what about, kind of, helping you feel superhuman or helping you outperform and outlive your dreams?
And that became this like, really, for me, it's just like, wow, like, this is it. You know, this is what I want to do.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah. Similar for me as well, because people are like, oh, why longevity? Like, why do I want to live longer? And I was like, you know, what's your perception of longevity? And typically it's, you know, being perceived, let's say 85-year-old, like, why would you want to extend that type of life for another 20 years?
Well, it's like no, wrong. What if you could go skydiving at 95? What if you can be out partying, which was always my thing at 94, right? Having lots of fun. Climbing mountains and having a great time into your 90s and even 100, right? So why should age stop you, if you can optimize yourself and you can really enjoy life more? And what does it free up? And frees all the time.
You know, I see my parents, sort of, generation, how many doctors' visits, like, that's, kind of, the week plan, like, which doctors' visits they need to go to. Imagine you had all that free time to, like, go and do great sports, and having a great time, and hanging out with your friends, and really enjoying life, optimizing things and reaching your true human potential.
So I think that's more the why, and getting people to understand that. It's not just about living longer, it's actually living really well longer and doing really cool, fun things. And that, I think, is the excitement behind it, for me at least. Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, absolutely. It's strange how the most of society, they outsource their health to the health system.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: And that's what the NHS is for. That's what you know, if I'm sick I'll go to them. That's because we haven't really been educated around the ability to control our destiny from a health perspective.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, we can all get run over by a bus, but we can control if we're going to get diabetes.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: To some degree, especially type-two diabetes. And how that extends now into vascular dementia, and strokes, et cetera, and other kind of chronic conditions.
But more and more people, and physicians and healthcare teams, are beginning to understand that, that long-term thinking is hard, isn't it? It's hard to even coach people in long-term thinking sometimes.

Claudia von Boeselager: Well, like, maybe because we're all so used to that, I have a headache, give me a pill, I want the headaches go away. I think for me, when I spent a bit of time in China, this is back in 2005, I visited a traditional Chinese medicine pharmacy. And I had the doctor looking at my tongue and checking my pulse. And I'm like, what are they really going to figure out from here?
But she really picked up on a few things, which I was, you know, of course they do, right? This is a very old medicine. But, you know, how they treat things, right? So if you have a headache, it's getting to the root cause. So we were talking about functional medicine and root cause medicine, and solving for the root cause.
And so it takes three days of having maybe a headache, but then it's gone forever because you've solved for that, versus the whole just taking the pill and it keeps coming back again and it doesn't make you any better. So I'd love to talk about some of the exciting and very cool treatments that you have at HUM2N. And I was, last week now, or 10 days ago, in your very cool NASA hyperbaric oxygen chamber. But I'd love for you as the expert to talk about the different therapies that you offer, and why they are so amazing for the body.

Mohammed Enayat: Our approach to therapies is based around a self-regenerative approach to health. It's about how do we fine-tune the human biology, and the processes that go, on to make them work better?
How do we support them to work better? Rather than an interventional approach, which is more of a traditional medical approach, drugs, synthetic drugs, or surgery. It's about how do we just make yourselves work better, or make your biology more connected?
And so we started with hyperbaric oxygen therapy. I came across that, I think around 2015, as well, 16, when I just went on this deep exploration around the world, Germany, Austria, America, Japan.

Claudia von Boeselager: Fun!

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah. Japan pioneered a lot of hyperbaric medicine, actually. And came across hyperbaric and, in this approach to health, with that lens, that we are healthy at the state of vitality in our 20s, and then we're in a gradual decline, and then the diagnosis of the disease fits in when we have those structural issues within the organs. I started to look at therapies that I found interesting in a disease state, and an obvious one was hyperbaric oxygen therapy from a cellular perspective. It's a simple, simple science.

Claudia von Boeselager: For the people not familiar, can you explain what it actually is? And-

Mohammed Enayat: For sure, yeah. It's optimizing you to get better quality oxygen. At a very simple level, we are a bag of trillions of cells, our plumbing, which is our blood supply in our heart is the pump. Takes the oxygen from our lungs, from our environment, from air, we have 21% oxygen. We take that out of our lungs into our blood supply and it gets delivered to our cells. Each cell has a engine, which is the mitochondria, which takes energy and makes fuel. Like all vehicles, we take air and oxygen, it combusts with a spark to make energy. Same thing happens at each cell to make it.
And with that energy, we use that energy, the cell uses that energy to do what it needs to do. Different functions, replicate, create proteins, hormones, enzymes, kill senescent cells, maybe old cells, et cetera, et cetera. Fight inflammation.
And so if we give better fuel to a cell, at a very simple level the cell will work better and it will do its job better. And because you're improving the delivery of oxygen to all of your cells, it can affect and impact every single organ, every single part of you, from your skin to your hair follicles on the outside, to your brain tissue, preventing the shrinking of the brain, et cetera, et cetera. So it has a massive longevity effect in maintaining the structure of the organs, the blood supply to those organs and the neutral oxygen delivery.
Also, at a cellular level, through the energy effect, you will heal better. You will replace your old cells better. You'll fight your inflammation better. So from a longevity science perspective, it's phenomenal. And that's why we call it the time machine. There has been studies coming out this year from Israel, some excellent studies, showing the biological aging markers reverse from a course of hyperbaric oxygen treatments.

Claudia von Boeselager: Okay, wow.

Mohammed Enayat: So that's the application for longevity. Then you have the application for disease state, at the other end of the spectrum. So people that have post-surgery, are healing. Wound healing. After strokes or mini-infarcts within the brain, to help reprofusion and keep ourselves alive. It helps with post-disease, fractures, et cetera, et cetera, burns, dermatology.
So that was an excellent adjunct for the aesthetic medicine stuff we were doing. And for post-surgery for a lot of patients that'll come in for surgery orthopaedic surgery, et cetera, et cetera.

Claudia von Boeselager: So it expedites that healing process, basically.

Mohammed Enayat: Massively.

Claudia von Boeselager: And just for people who aren't super familiar, it's like going into a little space capsule, almost, with very cool lighting, and you have an oxygen mask on, and the cabin or the vessel, the pressure changes, right? So I think it's down to,like, 85 meters below sea level, which is beyond like a tech diver. Right? So I'm a scuba diver, but I'm only 30, so -

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, so the hyperbaric chamber is for nitrogen sickness. So for deep scuba diving, and basically for diving medicine, go down to those pressures, and traditional ones for disease management also used to go down to those ones.
But now the chambers, in science, we realized that they don't need to go down to as far as 85.

Claudia von Boeselager: Okay, 'cause I didn't feel like that when I was in them. I was like, wow.

Mohammed Enayat: Some of them go down to 85. This one goes to approximately 20/25, which is about two, two and a half atmospheric pressure. And the science behind it is that if you double the atmospheric pressure, right, then, effectively, your body will take in double the amount of oxygen from, if it's just air, from the air. So instead of it being 21%, it will receive as if it's 42% oxygen.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah. And so if you're giving someone 95% oxygen, you obviously just flood the body with oxygen, because you also start to carry oxygen, not just in your red blood cells, but also in your blood plasma, which is the liquid in which your different types of blood cells are carried. And so your reservoir, the total amount of oxygen you can carry just increases it by 20 to 30 times.
Yeah. So it's really powerful. It should be the mainstay for good longevity practice. We would love to see it much more widely available. So you can use it for longevity, for healing and disease states. And you can also use it for optimizing the state. And that's why we can also call it the think Tank.
A lot of the blood flow goes to the brain. So if you're optimizing the blood flow to the brain, you think clearer, right?

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: And people often go in there, do one-to-one meetings, and I wanted to create a chamber that was, you can actually go and sit inside and be comfortable.

Claudia von Boeselager: That's fun.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager: That's really cool.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, yeah. You know, you can be, people do their one-to-one meetings in there. Our, some of our members, even I do so myself and, you know, it's brilliant.

Claudia von Boeselager: Do you do your brainstorming creativity sessions in there?

Mohammed Enayat: 100%.

Claudia von Boeselager: Amazing. You need to have a little clipboard up there.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah. I mean, I'm in there probably two to three times a week on average, yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager: Amazing. Hence, you look so young, still, so. And what other cool therapies do you also offer at HUM2N?

Mohammed Enayat: Okay. So we also do whole body cryotherapy. It's taking you into a freezer that goes down to -140 Celsius.

Claudia von Boeselager: Which is so insane, yeah?

Mohammed Enayat: It's crazy, isn't it?
It's so normal to me now, but when you think about it, it is crazy. And the cold exposure at that level with your head and your whole body in, has a number of benefits. It stimulates your body in a number of ways. Your body's like, I need to survive. I need to regenerate. I need to heal. Through that skin temperature drop, you get pulsing, or production of growth hormone and regenerative hormones, and testosterone for men, both which decline as we age. From a metabolic perspective, we know that metabolic flexibility is very important for longevity. How agile your metabolism is to respond to sugar is very important.
If our bodies are lazy, our metabolism becomes lazy. Yeah? And then it just stores sugar very quickly as white adipose tissue, white fat cells, you sit centripetally around your stomach, low fat hips and stomach. And that's lazy fat. And that's actually pro-inflammatory fats. So that, in itself, drives cascades of inflammation, which then age you even more.
So when you do something like this, your body needs to create energy because it needs to bring your temperature back up. It's like: "I'm freezing."

Claudia von Boeselager: So walk through what it's like. So you have this freezer, right? And there's a glass thing, so at least you can see out, but will you have anything on you, like how does it work?
And does your brain not freeze? How long do you stay in-

Mohammed Enayat: We need to get you in the chamber. So, essentially, you wear thermals to cover your periphery.

Claudia von Boeselager: Hands and feet, yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Your hands, your ears, your feet up to your knees.

Claudia von Boeselager: Okay. And what about your nose?

Mohammed Enayat: You have a face mask.

Claudia von Boeselager: Face mask, okay.

Mohammed Enayat: Have you had a percussive therapy? Whole body percussive therapy? It's like a type of massage, the thera gun, or-

Claudia von Boeselager: Ah, okay, no.

Mohammed Enayat: There's different types of guns that have a massage nodule on the end and it's this very, it's higher frequency.
Okay, ah, for stimulating, yeah,

Claudia von Boeselager: yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Right. So we do that on your whole body, focusing on your tendons, which are very, don't have a very good blood supply. So if you want, especially for those people that have been training a lot, or have any muscular aches and pains after training, we want to loosen up those inflammatory complexes, get them circulating and get blood supply back into the tendons before we put you in the chamber.
Okay. So then-

Claudia von Boeselager: That's nice.

Mohammed Enayat: We'll put you in the chamber, so yeah, it's nice. You loosen up the muscles. You get the blood supply going. From an experience perspective, you're going to go to the chamber and you're going to feel extremely cold. And you're going to have a gasp reflex, as if you go into a plunge pool of ice. Have you ever done that?

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah. I've done that. in, you were talking about the German places or you go into the sauna and then go outside in the snow or into a plunge pool, yeah. It's a, quite a shock to the system.

Mohammed Enayat: Yes. You have a reflex. One of the reflexes of gasp orget out of here and gasp, can't breathe reflex.
So that's the first thing you experience. It's not as uncomfortable as an ice bath because you haven't got the pressure of cold water on you, it's just cold air. So it's much more comfortable however it's still cold. And then you have, like, these snowflakes flying around you while you're in there it's, it's quite-

Claudia von Boeselager: So it's directly -140?

Mohammed Enayat: We start at -90 and build you up to -140, yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager: And over what period of time?

Mohammed Enayat: Up to three minutes, but you can leave the chamber whenever you, and we tell you of what situation you might need to leave the chamber, which is extreme shivering.
And it's normally driven by a mental reflex, right? So this is helping people understand the sympathetic, parasympathetic, nervous system. How they can control their state. It's brilliant. You go in there and anything you're thinking about is gone because all you care about is surviving those three minutes and conquering that fear.
It's a bit like, many people experience it a bit like a bungee jump.

Claudia von Boeselager: Okay, bungee jump.

Mohammed Enayat: That, kind of, overcoming that fear because it looks a bit intimidating mentally. It's like, can I do this or not? And we coach you through it. So that's really nice in itself. Just overcoming your fear.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah. Alone, that's already a huge achievement, yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, and appreciating your physical body's endurance capacity. And how you can control the urge to just get out of there, you know?

Claudia von Boeselager: And then also, I guess, with breathwork right? I mean, look Wim Hof who climbs Everest in a pair of shorts. So I think through certain breathing techniques, although at -140 for the lungs, is there any issue doing deep breathing?

Mohammed Enayat: No, it's fine.

Claudia von Boeselager: You have the face mask, I guess, on as well. Yeah. Very, very cool.
And just to touch on a few other ones, what are the other therapies that you have, from of the kind of biohacking sense, that you see huge exponential results from?

Mohammed Enayat: Intravenous ozone therapy, I really like that. So this is, again, tapping into the power of oxygen, but in a different form. Oxygen comes down to our atmosphere as O2 from the ozone layer, which is O3, but it's really unstable as 03, so that's why it comes down as 02. However, if we give you 03 into your blood, that dissociates into oxygen, so you get increased blood concentration of oxygen, and a reactive oxygen species, or an oxygen stressor.
And you hear about antioxidants as one of the most important ways of anti-aging, vitamin C, glutathione, resveratrol, alpha-lipoic acid, et cetera, et cetera. However, when I give you an oxygen stress, your body then creates, and upregulates, its production of antioxidants. So again, it's another form of a hormetic stressor or a stressor designed to make your own body stimulate the things.
Just like cryotherapy, it's a hormetic stressor. Extreme cold environment. Okay, you go inside and your body regenerates, your body improves its metabolism. With ozone what does it do? It has a massive anti-aging effect. It helps self-repair, anti-infective effects supports your immune system, reduces inflammation through that antioxidant effect, and supports detoxification through the liver. And energizes the mitochondria through the oxygen effect. So massive cellular benefits from doing it.
And I love ozone. We do it high dose, high concentration. We do everything at the medical end, and we're trained by some of the world's leading, probably the world's leading physicians or experts in each of those disciplines, and that's very important to us. So I love ozone therapy. And then the other one that we have at the moment is intravenous, or systemic, so systemic is the application within your body, or locally.

So whenever you're applying a therapy, it can either be local, from the outside on your skin, injection into a joint, or systemic into your blood, okay? So the systemic application of photobiomodulation or low-level laser therapy, right? You know those red light panels. We see it all the time. infrared or red light, red light beds, but we give it into the vein, into your blood.
We activate all of your plumbing, and that has a different effect to doing it from the outside.

Claudia von Boeselager: How is the light injected into the vein? How does that work?

Mohammed Enayat: We have a three-way canula, and a fiber-optic cable that you pass into the vein. So the fiber-optic cable transduces, and it's attached to the laser module, and that goes into the vein.
And then you have all of your five liters of blood passing through that vein all of it in, on average, once a minute. So all of that five liters of blood will get activated. and take that energy around. Remember, we go into sunlight, we produce vitamin D. We know that light energy affects our biology.
The science has showed different wavelengths of light have different biological effects. Blue: Immune system. Red: Energizing at a cellular level. Green: Increasing oxygen-carrying capacity of our hemoglobin. So great for performance in athletes, and recovery. Yellow: Up-regulate production of neurotransmitters, calming neurotransmitters, like serotonin, and vitamin D synthesis.
That's that same wavelength of light. And this is why many people get affected by seasonal affective disorder.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah, I'm-

Mohammed Enayat: I'm there, right?
Because there is more to it than, you know, light also affects our neuro-transmitters, not just our vitamin D. And then UV, which is against pathogens. Now we use it as an adjunct. So as a supportive therapy. We don't use that as a kind of interventional therapy, we use as a supportive therapy.
If that makes sense.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: And then, 'cause we combine that with nutrients, great food in a liquid bag, like an IV drip. Which is basically great food that's been processed. So we take-

Claudia von Boeselager: At high dose.

Mohammed Enayat: At the right concentrations so it's bioavailable, and we make them on-site according to what we're looking to achieve, when you combine the two, you get a compounding effect.
And that's been really interesting because I love to stack therapies, and we created this, and we're the only place in the world that do this, we call it super human. Because we're trying to make health accessible, make it fun. We believe health should start when you're healthy. And when you're healthy, you're usually down the pub, I usually add that. In the UK, that's where we grew up in, right? That's-

Claudia von Boeselager: We need to change that mentality.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah. Exactly. That's why I created the bar you can see behind me.

Claudia von Boeselager: I know, I'd love to talk about that in a minute, yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: And so we created this superhuman protocol, which is, can we make people feel super human compared to when they come in? And what does it mean to feel super human, anyway? It means best energy, best focus, best digestion, your best movement, suppleness of your body, best recovery. Based on the science, we combine these, okay,, giving you the right nutrients into your veins, but these laser bites, with the oxygen then, and then followed by whole-body cryo which has this kind of massive endorphin effect, and other things. Followed by topical red light therapies, like a five-step 90 minutes.
And we're doing experiments with some of our members who are now beating their personal bests. You know, CrossFit guys are going in, by 20%, beating their personal best the next day. People-

Claudia von Boeselager: Wow.

Mohammed Enayat: Triathlons. Athletes that were preparing for boxing camps, worked with a couple of boxes. I'm the head of medical for the world boxing council in the Middle East.
We're introducing these kinds of therapies to support recovery and enhance performance in a natural, regenerative, non-doping way. Why can't we apply them? So I'm really blessed and fortunate to be able to apply this on disciplined athletes, and bring that onto everyday people. This is what we're about.
And so that's an example of that, where we compound therapies to get much more of a lasting, all based on science, just based on a good core understanding of science.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah, I guess a few questions from that. But the typical person who comes to you and you have the professional athletes and things as well. And we were talking about, you know, how to bring this to the larger audience, right?
So how to let more people know that you don't need to go when you're really sick. So obviously start earlier, and you don't need to be the top athlete. You can actually just optimize yourself day to day. And can you walk through, you know, say I come off the street, Dr. E I want to have more energy. I want to feel better. What can you offer me? What would that, sort of, treatment plan look like from maybe testing to how you would come up with a program, which is obviously highly individualized, but, for people listening, maybe you can just walk through a typical case of not the triathlete, and not the-

Mohammed Enayat: Yes, absolutely.

Claudia von Boeselager: In disease.

Mohammed Enayat: Everyone is human, right? And wherever you're at in your journey of optimizing your health, whether you start at the higher end or at disease end, you know, more imbalanced or less imbalanced, it doesn't matter. Everyone deserves to have better health to help them achieve the things they want in life. It always starts with what their "why" is. We spend about 60 to 90 minutes just getting to know a person in front of us, you know, what is their "why", why they even here?

Claudia von Boeselager: I like that.

Mohammed Enayat: What's the why behind their "why". You know, you're coming to see me because, you know, you want to lose some weight. Okay, why do you want to lose some weight? Because I've just come out of a relationship and I'm really stressed. Okay, now I understand what's going on in your environment more. I understand what's going on in your home environment more.
I understand what's going on with your children more, and so what's going on with your generations above, and how your career is impacting you. And that is all so important. And so it starts with the "why". And we start with the "why', then we dive into the history of health, starting with generational history. And then from there health as a child, infancy, in the womb, all the way to now. From that, you can start to learn patterns, just from that deep dive consultation, you start to learn patterns and understand patterns where things could have started to go wrong. And we may just be seeing a tip of the iceberg with the symptom, but actually we need to be looking at A-B-C-D and E. So, that's always the beginning.
From there, we personalize for them. A journey through data collection. What data points are most important, step one, for you? For us to understand and triangulate how you're feeling with objective measurements.

Claudia von Boeselager: So what does that look like granularly, is that like blood tests or what type of data?

Mohammed Enayat: So we start with, we have a panel of a hundred markers, right? We call it the foundational and cellular integrity. That's step one of testing. That looks at hormones, micronutrients, can deliver blood tests, immune system, inflammatory markers, indications of methylation. And then also fatty acid composition. But we use a narrow interpretation index of narrow normal ranges to identify certain things, imbalances.

Claudia von Boeselager: Wait, you look at it from a functional health though, right? Like, 'cause you said the normal ranges, but then what's normal. right?

Mohammed Enayat: Exactly. Exactly, from a functional health or personalized health range perspective.
Right. And that shows you imbalances. And it gives you points as in directions. Okay, someone might have digestive enzyme production insufficiency. Someone might have assimilation issues of their nutrients. Someone might have A-B-C, and that will direct further testing.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: So we do that step one. Then we attach with you, we have an integrated care team approach. So you have a physician trained in this type of medicine, a dedicated health coach who actually starts as a nutritional therapist, but we train them up in coaching. We have an in-house education program where we train our team in different roles.
So a dedicated health coach will hold your hand through a journey and touch base with you every couple of weeks. Uses techniques of NLP and motivational interviewing to set goals that are realistic that you can do that understand your context and educates you and empowers you each step of the way. And they're also supported by an expert nutritionist, who loves to get into the deep nitty gritty and science of nutrition, and how to optimize you from a nutrient perspective, right?

Claudia von Boeselager: Which is the medicine you give your body every day. Right? I think people forget that.

Mohammed Enayat: Right. 100%. And so then when we do that, then this journey begins. Then we start to take you through coaching your personalized lifestyle strategies, across movement, mind, breath, sleep, give them an Oura ring, usually, because that's the most comfortable one for our patients.
And then we coach them on what internal stress response is, heart rate variability, deep sleep, REM, how to drive those according to their lifestyle, and what's going on, and their goals. And then nutritional strategies. And then from there we go to more testing. Now, obviously, everyone is different. So we might prescribe someone to do a comprehensive stool analysis, looking at prebiotics, microbiome, parasites, et cetera, et cetera, fungi, viruses, sooner, depending if they've got big digestive system symptoms, or have a history of small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, SIBO, et cetera.
So you've got stool or digestive intelligence, covers stool testing, really understanding what's going through your digestive tract and, what you're excreting. Food sensitivity testing, looking at your immune response to food. We find that we can do without it. And many patients we don't prescribe, for instance, to testing.
But for those that, we want more compliance to, those that will help them have an "aha" moment: "Oh my God, I'm developing antibodies to apple, but I have apple all the time and I feel fine." You can help educate them around leaky gut, and how, if foods aren't broken down properly, they can drive an immune response, or leaky gut, to become more compliant, and that's quite nice. And then, alongside that, organic acid testing. So the metabolomics approach to health, right?
So looking at your urine. So we look at your stool, we look at your blood, we look at urine. In your urine, we're looking at things you excrete. Metabolites, or breakdown products of cellular processes that go on all the time. Whether it's energy production cycles, or production of neurotransmitters, or recycling of hormones. And that gives us a kind of systemic understanding of you cellular level, metabolomics. And that's usually, you know, a good four months with patients. And by that point they see just leveling up every month. It's constant improvement, right?
We're not throwing everything at the kitchen sink in one go, because we feel like testing should be phased. And you build the foundation of a house, you start with the structure and the foundation, the important things like hormones, micronutrients, inflammation, methylation.

Then you move on to optimizing the simulation of nutrients through digestion. Then you look at the cellular metabolism processes. And then maybe environment toxins, and then maybe genetics, right? Some would argue genetics can come earlier. And we do, we can and for those patients that can afford to, and want to do a longevity panel approach, which is, you know, more comprehensive. We will look at, instead of replacing the foundation with a much more comprehensive panel of testing that we send to the, you know, most of the labs are in the US apart from the foundation test, just because that longevity panel work with the Cleveland HeartLab in the US to do the testing. It's just not available here, some of those markers, to get advanced inflammatory markers, looking at how your blood vessel, the earliest determinants of the thickening of your blood vessels, right? Things like myeloperoxidase lp-PLA2, you know, tests that should be throughout cardiology, will be over time.
But we want to know the earliest changes happening and we want to understand your breakdown of the LDL cholesterol, not just HDL, LDL, triglycerides, but let's break that down even further because science and allows us to. Lipoproteins, small density lipoproteins, and what are they, lipoprotein A, lipoprotein B, your ratios of A to B?
Because when we know that we can be much more targeted from a nutrient and nutrition perspective, we can also manage your cardiovascular risk much better. Someone that has high cholesterol because of, one in four people, because of lipoprotein A, there's studies to show, big studies, to show that if you give them a statin, which is first-line therapy, you increase their cardiovascular risk.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah. And also increase the risk of brain plaque, right? And Alzheimer's disease. Dr. Perlmutter has a great book on that. Grain Brain. Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Exactly, right? And so, you know, that for me, was just like, this helps people quickly understand the difference between public medicine, and personalized medicine. And I don't mean public in a negative way.
I just mean that the way that we deliver our medicine-

Claudia von Boeselager: General, yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Or care, is based on the general population. Like 75%, are going to be great on a statin, right? So, yeah, okay, we'll give everyone a statin. As first-line therapy. But it shouldn't even be first-line, we know it shouldn't be, there's things you can do with food, and diet, and movement, lifestyle, that actually like Jeffrey Bland, Dr. Bland, one of the first cardiologists who they did a study around lifestyle intervention versus bypass, or drug therapy, and actually lifestyle intervention was the best, right?

Claudia von Boeselager: Wins every time. And I think it touches on one of the points you said before, is that, you know, I think we're still learning more and more the power of the human body, and also the mind, to influence the human body as well.
That's what I like with your approach that you have with the different therapies and the coaching as well, because it works on the mindset to actually help people to change. 'Cause it's one thing you go to see a doctor, they say, here are five things you can do, you know, and come back in a couple of months time, versus actually holding hands and helping a little bit more, especially for people where it might be a more fundamental shift in lifestyle to actually make the change.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, and empowering people through that, right? Like teaching people how to cook, teaching people how to shop, you know like, things that I wasn't-

Claudia von Boeselager: How to read labels.

Mohammed Enayat: How to read labels, when you go to do a food shop, like, what difference does it make you buy organic and nonorganic and like, you know, grass-fed, et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah. Seasonal fruit or non-seasonal fruit. You know, these are the simple everyday things that we can do. Decisions, choices we can make everyday that can influence, not just the long-term but how we feel in the current state. Right?
Our relationship with food, you know, how are we setting behavior patterns around the dinner table? Our relationship with our phones, you know, our relationships with things that go into our head that affect our state, constantly. This is why the coaching element is actually more important than the doctors and the science part, you know, like in many ways, right?
99% of moving the needle with people is through understanding them, and their environment, and meeting them with recommendations that, at their level, and then supporting them, and touching base with them frequently, and saying: "Hey, look, how can we support you? How can you support yourself? Helping them identify their blockers and challenges, whether it's a mental thing or otherwise.
And so the power of coaching is about transformation, isn't it? It's about helping people transform. I think the coaching element has really unlocked this type of medicine for us, where it started prescriptive.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: And, you know, realized very soon that the prescriptive model of care doesn't work full stop.
We know that, studies have showed that. And so, you know, how do we, how do we support people is by meeting them through a coaching model. So wish us luck, we're introducing that now with HUM2N.

Claudia von Boeselager: That's exciting. It's like the human approach, right? So it works pretty well with your name because, you know, everyone needs that coach.
And if you look at professional athletes, they have coaches, even, you know, professional musicians, they all have coaches, someone, kind of, in their corner helping and supporting them. And, you know, more and more, we're kind of left to our own devices, if you don't actually have a coach. So why not have one that helps with the mindset with the lifestyle changes, fundamental changes.
You feel better after, you're basically a whole nother person afterwards as well.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, and, you know, having developed and iterated these kinds of programs on patients we've seen over about 3/400 patients over the last, through LMS Health and LMS Wellness, developed these programs and worked with our patients.
We've just iterated it and develop it to be able to democratize the expertise that is allowing us to then hopefully get this out to a lot more people through HUM2N, through the virtual health programs that we're going to be delivering with HUM2N. So we're excited for it. And we're excited to be hopefully the first integrated care model in the UK, delivering this type of medicine and care out to more people.

Claudia von Boeselager: And yes, of course, we have the physical center, which is, I would say is more like my laboratory.
It looks like a science lab. You can see it behind you there with all the cool colors you were talking about, and all those bottles and potions. Can you talk a bit about the space and the design and the thought that went into it?

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, 100%. I mean, I think my background in appreciating user experience started because I worked in retail for many years since I was a teenager, really, because my parents were in the business of retail. So in the 80s and 90s, even before I was born in the 70s, my dad had market stalls, and that was the base of trade, market.
So I remember in the 80s when I was a child, going to market stalls, and seeing that, kind of, retail experience, meeting someone at their level, and trying to give them something they like, you know, and then from then worked in retail and fashion stores just to get me through school and, you know, sort of side jobs and stuff.
And then, through university, I worked in a mobile phone shop for years, Carphone Warehouse, and again, that was providing an understanding of the retail experience to meet someone at their level. And so, for me, giving the experience was very important, creating a place where you can experience health, which I hadn't seen anywhere.
I'd never seen somewhere as a traditional doctor, seen somewhere where I could go and experience something cool and fun. And get health as output as an experience. And so that's why I created this bar, and I believe that we're all scientists to some degrees, and we all use our environment, and we're all conscious of how different things affect us. And people drink different types of alcohol to get different types of effects, this is an example, in the 90s, it was always about work hard, play hard, and people were taking Adderall, and Ritalin, and other drugs just to stay up and keep going. And I'm glad we've kind of turned that. And now it's about restorative alongside working hard, but also like, you know, being able to restore.
And so this is what this bar is about. It's about coming, if you're not sure, coming and experience a change of state just from using plant medicine. So we have curated, and created, different herbal potions, in tincture form and tea form, to change your state, whether it's, you want more euphoria, better energy, cognition, focus. We created all these blends, where people come and experience that as a starting point, we also have like adaptogenic smoothies, things like Bulletproof coffees, et cetera, et cetera.
So that's what this concept was about. Coming to a space where you experienced change of state, and a fun place where you can meet the team, also. So we do speaking events and stuff like that, there, we have a DJ that plays every now and again. We'll do like a little health party for our members, and then you go downstairs to the lab and, you've been there, it's more like an underground cave where we have the therapies the hyperbaric, and the cryo, and the IVs, and the laser, and the different treatment rooms where you can go into do body scan assessments, and then go a bit deeper with your health, the ozone therapy, et cetera, et cetera. So that's the concept behind it. And-

Claudia von Boeselager: Very cool.

Mohammed Enayat: Thank you very much. I mean, yeah, it looks cool, especially on this background. I'm not actually in the space right now, it's a, kind of, picture of the space, but-

Claudia von Boeselager: The virtual. And you mentioned about, obviously you have the physical space and there's a few different spaces across London, actually, I understand, that you're rolling out. And you talked about also virtually that you're able to treat people around the world.
Can you talk a bit about that?

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, absolutely. You know, we wanted to be able to give people access to this type of healthcare. Many of the tests are remote self-testing kits. For example, stool, urine, fingerprick blood. We're introducing saliva swab testing that you can do for biological age, for example,
GlycanAge is one of the testing markers we're looking at.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah, I did mine recently and mine came back 11 years younger, but I'm so, I'm keen to get farther down, but I hear you had a very low one as well. What did you get to?

Mohammed Enayat: I got to 15 years, 16 years, 16 years younger. Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager: Wow. Okay. the best I've heard so far is Dr. Raffaele who has, I think, she was 84-year-old patient who has a GlycanAge of 37.

Mohammed Enayat: That's phenomenal.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah, exactly.

Mohammed Enayat: I loved seeing that as a data point. Maybe it's just like, okay. You know, it's cool seeing that because, you know, it's hard to quantify and objectify if what you're doing is working.
That's really nice to see. So for my patients to say like, okay, I really longevity. I want to reclaim some years where I've been burning that candle and I worked my ass off, and I want to be able to ensure that I'll get into my 50s, 60s, 70s, I could spend time with my children, my grandchildren, et cetera, et cetera.
And they like doing that test before and after. I like to do the standardized testing before after, so it motivates us, and the incentives are aligned as a team, and with the patient, to reach those goals. I, one day, hopefully see a future where we have enough wiggle room to be able to incentivize patients even more and more to be able to reach those targets.
And there, to gamify health a bit more, that'd be fun.

Claudia von Boeselager: How would that look like?

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah. Just, like, whether it's, kind of, they unlock experiences. And we're kind of doing that with this performance coaching model that we're looking at right now. We're still in development. We're exploring it. But we're looking to create a fearless experience.
So they self-identify something that they actually are petrified to do. And then we build them up to actually get supported to do it through a mindset and all the biology approach.

Claudia von Boeselager: I think that's totally possible. I mean, one person that I interviewed as well is an EFT, emotional freedom technique tapping, and I did a trial session with her as well.
And it's unbelievable. I was like a levitating Zen Buddhist monk after 90 minutes of this thing.

Mohammed Enayat: Phenomenal.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah. And I think there's so many amazing hacks you can do away from synthetic pills. And I love the fact that you bring those all together. It's optimize performance on many different things from fear, to just better energy, sleeping well, and all in one, sort of, very cool container with potions and DJs and all the rest of it.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah. Thank you. I think it reflects, I would like to say it reflects my cool personality. That's just me. That's probably from my ego a little bit.

Claudia von Boeselager: Rainbow on the inside and outside.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah. Not always. I mean, you can ask my team, that's just the reality of the human experience, right?

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah exactly. We all have our moments as well. Dr. Enayat, I'd love that, we could talk forever, I think, and I definitely would love to do a part two, but I'd love to flip over to a few rapid-fire questions, because I'm sure some listeners are dying to know a little bit more about you, and if you have any particular morning routines to set your day up as a success, how are you energized like you are?

Mohammed Enayat: It depends on my state, right? So it depends on how I'm feeling, and how I want to feel. So, most mornings, I start with some nice, simple breath work, some box breathing. I try to get out into nature. I do a little bit of grounding. A bit of skipping for five minutes. I don't do anything too aggressive. It depends. It depends if I have the time as well, sometimes I'm time poor, especially with the launch phase right now, then I have to deprioritize my morning routine or limit it, which is not always a great thing, I know, but so for me, what works is breath work, cold shower, try and getting outdoor, whatever the weather, a bit of skipping, get my heart rate going. Then I'll come back and do a cold shower and start my day. I try not to look at emails straight away. Everyone says that. I think that's a really good practice. Try not to look at my emails.

Claudia von Boeselager: Creativity killer, yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah, and if I, if I sometimes, even taking the train into work, I will have my notebook out and just be journaling, preparing for the day, reflecting on the day that went, at least once a week, that's some of the things that I do.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah, that sounds like a-

Mohammed Enayat: Not every single day, you know, but, you know, there are elements of that I do every day.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: If that makes sense.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah, no, exactly. And I have a particular morning routine, and I really notice if I don't, for whatever reason, manage it or do it, what a difference in the day. And it's almost like you become addicted to actually doing it because it just sets you up to win, right? So I love that.
Do you have a favorite quote or piece of advice that's been a real game changer for you?

Mohammed Enayat: I like the quote: "Rome's not built in a day." And another one which is not really a quote, but just the concept that, you know, just give it your best shot and let the universe take your intention and do what he wants with it. And that kind of takes us, maybe, I don't want to go into another conversation, but for next time we can talk about the spiritual evolution, which I found has been an unintended side effect of working on myself in this way.
Yeah, I became more physically conscious of my state, physically, which allowed me to then think of my spiritual state, which I was not expecting as an outcome of this journey. And that's been a really beautiful evolution.
And now I find that a lot of in people, longevity practitioners, and people entering this space, that they're just more conscious. Once they see their body as a vehicle and they can control it, they're like, okay, what about my spirit?

Claudia von Boeselager: Who am I behind it.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah. And does that mean, like, a daily meditation practice, or are there certain practices that you have around that? I enjoyed Vishen Lakhiani's 20 minute guided-

Claudia von Boeselager: 6 Phase of Meditation. I did that this morning, actually.

Mohammed Enayat: Did you really? Yeah. So I really enjoy it, I've found that, at different points, I will use that, so, there's times I've done that. There's some soundtracks I listen to, which I just call them epic sounds. And they're like the Gladiator soundtrack. Couple of concertos. Some nice ones. Then I have also, kind of like, binaural beats. So music for me is like, also helps.

Claudia von Boeselager: Are there some learnings or insights that your clients you work with have found the most valuable?
What are some of the big "aha" moments or excitements that your clients have realized?

Mohammed Enayat: That they don't have to live with the symptoms that they didn't identify as having. And we try and deliver "aha" moments because they're really powerful. If we can give someone an "aha" moment, then they can say, wait a minute, that's my physiology. That's my reflexes. That's not me in control of my state. That's not me at my best self. And I've just experienced a bit of my best self of what it's like to be at my best self. I want more of that. And that's what this kind of therapies approach is all about, is about helping people experience how much better they can feel, and then giving them motivation to want to experience that.
Not just do therapies, but just actually just doing, kind of, lifestyle medicine, and targeted supplementation, and coaching, et cetera, et cetera. So that engineering "aha" moments is really important to us at HUM2N. It's like I say, experiencing is believing. I say that a lot. Where we want people to experience that change of state.

Claudia von Boeselager: It's so powerful when you, when you've actually done it, 'cause you can listen to, somebody's amazing story and it's touching, but until you've actually gone through it yourself, then you're a walking mission statement, right? So, yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: Yeah. And you don't need to be at the darkest, a lot of people talk about their darkest disease-based story, right?
It doesn't need to be that, you know, at all, you know, don't wait for that. You know, it can just be, it can be just not sleeping as well. And I've got-

Claudia von Boeselager: Or just tiredness.

Mohammed Enayat: A lot of women actually, you know, with this type of medicine, we're unlocking a lot of women's health. Because I feel like medicine, the normal ranges, the way we deliver health, is very patriarchal.
It's designed for men. And when we start to look at hormone recycling, detoxification pathways, phytoestrogens, and nutrients to support women's health, women start to unlock, like, wow, I don't need to be that mildly irritable. I didn't realize that I was mildly irritable in my cycle. You would ask me, I would get a bit defensive, et cetera, et cetera.
Like, you know, these states that, women don't need to be a, particularly around the cycle, and understanding how to periodize nutrition, movement, and lifestyle strategy, according to your cycle for women has been a real revelation. For me as a physician, and for our patients. And that's been really nice, actually.

Claudia von Boeselager: That's really exciting. Yeah. I'm, actually, Dr. Jennifer Garrison of the Buck Institute, she's pioneering research around actually eradicating menopause because it's not clinically necessary. And the longevity effects that that would have in youthfulness of women, not necessarily around reproduction, but just in general that, you know, falling off a cliff effect, that's typically been happening to women around menopause, just to eradicate that.
So, yeah, I'm going to be having her coming on as well to discuss that.

Mohammed Enayat: That will be great. That will be great, and as doctors, we propagate that problem, right? We're giving oral contraceptive pill to 16-year-olds who've got it for 25/30 years. We potentiate, we enable, we empower those issues. And this is where, there's one thing I do want to say on this podcast, because I had this moment the other day, where someone came in, and they were telling me a story, and the story was basically explaining this concept of the 'worried well', how in private medicine, we see a lot of the 'worried well'. Have you heard of that expression before, the 'worried well'?

Claudia von Boeselager: I have, but maybe explain it for people who haven't heard it.

Mohammed Enayat: We hear thrown about in the UK a lot, specifically in the health system, where if you have a patient, you're not sure what's going on, and they're worried about something, but then you classify them as the 'worried well', because actually, you say they're well.

Claudia von Boeselager: They're well.

Mohammed Enayat: So people will write it in their notes as physicians, or they will talk about it in their, yeah, he was a 'worried well' patient, or that's a 'worried well' kind of patient. And it just dawned on me how dismissive that is, and how wrong that is. And almost like, that extension of how arrogant we are as physicians to label someone that's presenting to you with a symptom, that they're worried about, and then you telling them, and dismissing them, saying no, you're well, and then, afterwards, saying they're just worried well.
What it really shows is a lack of understanding from the physician's side.

Claudia von Boeselager: Well, exactly.

Mohammed Enayat: And it's a plaster over the crack. The crack is there. The crack is obvious, you know, the healthcare system is broken in many ways, right? The more we skirt about it, we should be challenging our physicians in many ways to look outside of the box, to look at nutrition, to look at the studies that are out there that show massive improvement in women's health by using nutritional strategies or supplementation.
And that's what part of our big mission is, to show that data and evidence, and help change the mind of the healthcare system around this.

Claudia von Boeselager: And it's such an exciting space because you're benefiting your body in so many different ways of doing this. You're also reconnecting with your body in terms of trusting yourself that when you feel like, hmm, something's off, that actually your body's telling you something, right?
Instead of that dismissive, as you were saying 'worried well' person. Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: We are, this body is a power plant of energy production. It produces energy on a daily basis. Takes food, makes fuel, you know, it's constantly regenerating, it's adaptive, it's self-healing. You know, and let's treat it like what it is, you know, this beautiful vehicle that we've been given, rather than dismissing it into, you know, just a bag of bones and a set of organs, you know.

Claudia von Boeselager: And the disease that's going to take over, right? Yeah, exactly. And optimize it and keep it healthy and functioning, right? Give it-

Mohammed Enayat: We look after our cars more than we look after our bodies.

Claudia von Boeselager: I know that's the joke, right? You have a sensor in a car that will tell you already in the a hundred kilometers, you might have an issue, go check it out and we go straight away.
Whereas, you know, the human body it's like, will become completely destroyed, and then like, oh, actually, you know, I'm completely destroyed, help me.

Mohammed Enayat: And then we will replace your parts. We'll put a bypass graft in you, go through major surgery.

Claudia von Boeselager: And it might work, it might not work.

Mohammed Enayat: We'll give you life-long drugs.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah, exactly.

Mohammed Enayat: Which all have potential side effects, right? And this is, in a nutshell, I love the car analogy because people understand it. They understand the MOT to, kind of, keep the car roadworthy and stop it from breaking down any moment. And that's what the traditional health system is great to do. If your car's broken down, go there. And if it's about to break down, go there. However, if you want to identify how efficiently it can run, don't go there because they're we're just going to bring the hammers and saws out.
I don't know, just stating that, but they're not equipped for that. You know, they don't have those tools. They will hopefully over time, but you know, you have to look outside of that traditional healthcare model to get, to optimize your body.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah. Which is why it's so amazing what you've built there and what you're doing, so that it is possible to do that, right? And really pioneering the way. So thank you, Dr. E, for that.
A couple of last quick questions before we wrap up. What's been your most exciting purchase in the last 6 to 12 months? I love specifics.

Mohammed Enayat: My most exciting purchase in the last 6 to 12 months. I think my VO2 max machine. It's like, I call it the modern bleep test.
Do you remember the bleep test from school days. Where you would check your, kind of, exercise capacity. Athletes use it in sport science, a lot and sports physiology, but we want to apply it to everyday people. Understanding your physical capacity, endurance capacity. VO2 max is a marker of your lung capacity.
And then I'll attach to that, you can do your lactate threshold, the things that that. So we just started to introduce that to our team, and to others. That's been my most interesting purchase. And it was by a company called PNOV that make it, an American-based company that do portable V02 max tests, so it doesn't need to be done in the lab anymore. It can be done in the clinic, or on the sports field, or in your gym with your trainer. That's my most interesting one.

Claudia von Boeselager: Oh, I love it. Very fun.
For listeners interested in understanding more about biohacking and optimizing health better, what are some resources or books you recommend to start with?

Mohammed Enayat: Okay. So I really like a book called "Juvenescence: Investing in the age of longevity." I don't know if you've read that. By Al Chalabi and Jim Mellon. I like that book because, for those people that are interested in what's the convergence of biohacking and longevity science, it was written a few years ago, but it summarizes it very well.
Like, where does biotechnology fit? Where does gene therapy fit? It's written from the perspective of a biotechnology perspective, rather than a biohacking perspective, but it gives you that lens of perspective, which is quite interesting.
Another book I really like is by Aki Hintsa. Who has, rest in peace, passed away now. He wrote a book called " The Core".

Claudia von Boeselager: The Call? C-A-L-L?

Mohammed Enayat: C-O-R-E.

Claudia von Boeselager: Oh, C-O-R-E, sorry.

Mohammed Enayat: And he actually started a center called the Hintsa Performance Center, which, they do coaching around basic principles of health, as well as mindset. And you can see the evolution of that, where you apply a bit of, kind of, basic health coaching with how to control your state.
But he's worked with Formula One drivers and some cool people. So that's a, that's a really cool book, and inspired me a bit as well.

Claudia von Boeselager: And where can people follow you, see what you're up to, social media websites, anything particular you'd like to share with people?

Mohammed Enayat: Yes. So the best place is @HUM2N. And so that's @-H-U-M-2-N.
It's called HUM2N with the 2 in it to denote the upgraded version of yourself, the software upgrade as we like to call it.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah, the exponential upgrade. So it's @ and then H-U-M, and then the number 2, N. Yeah.

Mohammed Enayat: There, and then myself on Instagram @bydr.e, B-Y-D-R-.-E. I'm starting, I haven't started to use Twitter yet. I will start to use that at some point.
So mostly just on Instagram and then my team on the HUM2N page. Our website is www.hum2n.com. And we have blogs, and email, EDMs that go out. Where we're building this education portal. So that's the best place to find it. We want this brand to help people, whether they're just coming to get education. Or they want a few supplements. Or they want to go all in. So it depends wherever you're at on your journey, you know, you can come and just learn, you know, that's the starting point. Just get inspired and then.
And have some fun doing it, right?
Yeah, experiment a little bit, then have some fun, for sure.

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah. I love it.
Do you have any final ask, or recommendation, or parting thoughts for my audience?

Mohammed Enayat: I would just say don't accept the norm. The more we accept the norm, the more it will remain the norm. You're all part of this. Don't leave it to Claudia, myself, and all the other speakers, and, you know. You're all part of this.
Having listened to this, please take 30 minutes of your time. Start with five minutes and just write down a couple of things that you want to do. And a couple of thoughts that you want to try, and then share that. At the minimum, share it with a friend. Or a loved one. You never know how these tools can help them at times of need, because it's in the dark places, that we will inevitably all face, this is part of life. It doesn't matter who you are, part of life is to face your own personal dark places.
These tools come in remarkably handy. Remarkably. These tools will help you bring yourself out a stronger version of yourself. That's my ask for anyone that's managed to stay until the end, because we spoke a lot and that's mostly my fault.

Claudia von Boeselager: No, not at all.

Mohammed Enayat: Please don't accept the norm. Don't accept the norm of what's out there. Challenge your physician, challenge your healthcare practitioner, challenge yourself in the way you're thinking. "Oh, I'm feeling tired." Why do you feel tired? What did you do yesterday, et cetera, et cetera. Look what's out there, then try it. Yeah. So that's what I would suggest, you know, be part of the wave, don't let the wave pass you by, and miss those opportunities to procure so great.

Claudia von Boeselager: Oh, such wise words. Thank you so much, Dr. E, for coming on. It was such a pleasure to have you.

Mohammed Enayat: I really enjoyed it. Thank you. Look forward to part two.