Jean Fallacara [00:00:00]:
I'm so glad to have you today. We've been in touch from far for years. We've been in touch for real, in real life at the Livelong summit in West Palm Beach. And it was some sort of a crush where we said, like, let's get on our podcast. Let's talk. Let's talk about the future. Let's.

Jean Fallacara [00:00:22]:
Let's do a thing together. And I'm so glad that we met in person. You do beautiful things. You've been busy. You are, of course, well known in the space of longevity and biohacking as well, because you do things right, you know, and you do the right thing, too. So here's the thing. You're here. I want to know more about you, where you're coming from, what you have to say about yourself.

Jean Fallacara [00:00:51]:
And my first question is very simple. You are the CEO of a company that is called Athena Health, a co founder. You've been in business several times. You're a business, you're an entrepreneur. So you're an entrepreneur investor. And. But you're from the bank banking system before. How the heck can you an entrepreneur when you come from banking?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:01:13]:
Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me here today and you know, adore what, what you're doing too. And I think that's the beauty in life when you kind of meet a kindred spirit and people who, you know, get it and are align, it's just such a joy. And you feel like we've known each other. We were talking about past lives and various timelines and dimensions, like, you know, multiple, multiple connection points for sure. So thank you so much for having me on today. And you know, even jokingly speaking of multiple lifetimes, I mean, I've had multiple lifetimes in this lifetime, right. And I think, you know, just as a meta view of it, I think it's so important for people to follow their passion. What excites them.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:01:51]:
I think society trains us to say, you know, you work hard, study hard, and you get a job. And if you're lucky, you know, you'll stay there till you retire. And then when you're all like retired and burnt out, well, then enjoy life or whatever as well and, you know, don't follow your passion and purpose. And I think, you know, for me growing up, I had the joy of having a mother who was very much a visionary and could connect the dots. She was involved in, you know, seeing she came from a medical background, she grew up in Ireland, where at the time women could either work for the government, become a teacher or a nurse. That was it. And as soon as you got married, you had to stop working. So that's the environment.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:02:32]:
She broke up. Exactly, yeah. Because you had to have many kids and obviously the big Irish families. Right? So my Irish family definitely falls under that trap. The Folies are pretty much everywhere, which has its benefits. And so when she came to the United States, she was involved in the first liver transplant at St. Kettering. And so she was quite advanced in her thinking, her connections, her network.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:02:52]:
And she saw a huge shortage in nurses in the US at the time, in the 80s and 90s. So she set up a company, flew around the world and recruited thousands and thousands of nurses to come to the US So essentially giving all these nurses of the American dream, bringing them in, et cetera. And so that was the type of mother I grew up with. With people always saying like, your mother is amazing. I was like, she travels, she's not there. But yeah, she definitely was wired differently and this visionary and many other things. And so that was growing up that sort of anything is possible if you put your mind to and you know, think big and how can you think bigger and you know, it's about connecting the dots and oh, this person could help with this and you know, making it happen. And I saw that, I think time and again.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:03:35]:
So I'm so grateful obviously to have such a visionary mother. And you know, I wanted to go into medicine and when I was filling out my application forms and I did the chemistry and I did the biology and everything I needed and had the results, but I thought, do I really want to be in a hospital with neon lights every day? You know, is that my highest good? Is that my highest service? And I thought, well, no, I like to be free, I like to travel, I like to do things. I've, I've lived in over nine countries in my lifetime so far in this lifetime. And I decided to go down the business and languages route. And at the time when you finish with three master's degrees, right, in business, it was, you go into management consulting or investment banking. So I ended up at Goldman Sachs and you know, got to do the 100 hour work weeks and all of that. An amazing experience and amazing, you know, friends and contacts and many are still friends as well, which is, which is really beautiful, doing cool things and the world. But when I decided to leave banking, I, you know, for me I always knew I was an entrepreneur.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:04:32]:
I, I always had ideas and things like that too. And I felt, you know, I had a good foundation and I was just going to kind of wing it with a friend from. From business school and found our first company. So that's how the transition kind of happened from, from banking and a very structured environment to just that feeling of freedom. And I've had the pleasure of having you on my podcast recently, and you said, you know, the most important thing is freedom. And I think it's that freedom to be creative, to create something so not only just have the idea, it's about the execution. Right. I mean, any entrepreneur knows, like, you can sit around like, I've got a great idea, but it's like without.

Jean Fallacara [00:05:10]:
Yeah. Without being scared of doing it. That's probably. Yeah, this is.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:05:14]:
Or feel the fear and do it anyway. Right. And a mentor of mine who, who speaks to millions of people, you know, he's like, I, you know, everybody feels fear. It's what you do with it that differentiates those who are successful and those who are not. And we all fail, you know, And I, you know, love to quote, you know, even Walt Disney needed 302 banks to say no before one said yes. And Oprah Winfrey was told she wasn't fit for television and countless examples and, you know, do you let that stop you or not? So I know I've done, you know, different things and, you know, from E commerce, I was involved in fintech and like a bunch of different things. Fitness, wellness and separate to personal passion about health optimization. That was a bit separate and sort of more continuous, but it's.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:05:56]:
What, what. Where do you find the passion? What's exciting and, you know, surrounding yourself with people that inspire you. I love to be the stupidest person in the room and just kind of soaking in.

Jean Fallacara [00:06:07]:
It's hard. It's a challenge, though you may be.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:06:14]:
But, but yeah. And I think, I love the fact also, I think that through journey of life, you really. And living in different places, you really understand that you can learn something from everyone. I don't care if it is the person cleaning the streets. Is it the person building something or whatever. It's, you know, having that curiosity to connect with the person, get to know them and like, they have something to teach me. Without a doubt, a thousand percent of the time.

Jean Fallacara [00:06:41]:
Yeah. Human. Recognizing that humans are humans and whatever the title that is behind that, it is so important. I was telling someone yesterday, you know, that if you spend one minute per day to meet one new person, you're going to have 365 friends at the end of the year because you're going to discover, discover that you have something in common with everybody on this planet.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:07:03]:
Yes, yes. Yeah, I love that. I mean, one minute, probably I talk too much, would be a bit short to really connect. But if you gave me five minutes, maybe a day, I could, I could, yeah.

Jean Fallacara [00:07:15]:
Interesting. You know, here's the story. Science has demonstrated that it takes hundred hours to know someone. That's a lot of time together. Like you become friend after about 30 hours spent together. But 100 hours you know the person to. And it becomes a closest friend after these hundred hours that you spent together.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:07:37]:
I would, I am like challenging this science report. Is this like the average person? Like I love. So in my 20s I was embarrassing. I was like this. I felt I had to say hi to everybody in the room. Very superficial and not in a bad way. It just, I felt the need to spread myself thin and just, you know, say hi to everyone. I embarrassingly would think I would say yes to two parties in one evening.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:07:59]:
So I was like late for one, you know, another. So total disaster. And I've learned through work and inner journey work and things that I've done myself. Like the best evening I can have is if I have one to two very deep conversations. And I love that. And then you can really go deep. You can really kind of almost touch the soul and get to know somebody and, and see them. And so I would argue the science that like, I agree I have some amazing friendships after like one great dinner party where I ended up just speaking to the one person or two people or whatever it is too.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:08:31]:
So yeah, not 100 sure about that scientific research.

Jean Fallacara [00:08:34]:
No, I'm with you. I'm with you on that. You have a very good argument and a very good point on that, on this one question. Still having a deep conversation is not given to everybody. And most of the time people don't want to unveil their real thought or their real inspiration. And they talk from the book. They've read the sentences, they've listened, or the people that have said some things and they repeat it. So having those deep conversations are quite a tough job.

Jean Fallacara [00:09:08]:
But I do agree when you get into that space, you don't need to have 365 friends. You only need one. Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:09:18]:
Also I think that I guess through time we become better at filtering people who are genuine, authentic. So one I think is the ability to connect deeper with people quicker and then also to have that filter mechanism to realize when someone's, you know, quoting something or oh, I read in the paper, like, you know, you can Tell that they're just making up something to make up something. And some people are like that. And I'm. No judgment, honestly, at this day, at this stage of my life, everyone could be how they want to be, but I like to spend time with people who like to go deep and you know, either from whatever the topic, honestly. So I think it's just, you know, I love learning, I love connecting and stuff too. So. Yeah, that's.

Jean Fallacara [00:09:57]:
That's a sign of high intelligence. You've been always supporting women because of your mother, so.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:10:03]:
Not just because my mother, obviously I'm female as well, so I have a.

Jean Fallacara [00:10:06]:
B. I didn't notice that, you know.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:10:10]:
I identify as, you know nowadays. Well, you never know, but particularly with my mother. Yeah. Thank you for bringing that up or I'm happy to share that too. And so, you know, my mother was such an inspiration for so many years and really a shining light in many regards and her work and what she did and helping others too and very much a give personality. And in January 2020, pre Covid, she had a procedure on her legs. And the doctor binded both of the legs which caused. And then she had to have them elevated.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:10:47]:
And at this stage and just before this procedure, she was going to the gym five mornings a week. Highly active, high energy. So it's like that's where we were coming from. And because of having the elevated legs, it caused two blood clots. We found out after to go from the legs to the lungs, causing low blood oxygen levels which made her faint and she must have literally fallen like a plank backwards in the back of her head. Caused a tremendous concussion for eight weeks. Hospitalization in the United States is not very typical. So if you're in that long, you know, it's quite severe.

Jean Fallacara [00:11:19]:
Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:11:20]:
Bleeding in the brain, but into the ventricle, not the brain matter, thankfully. I mean there was different events, but out of the. Off the back of it then it was Covid. So the recovery, what she would normally have gotten in the support was obviously not there on several regards. Right. The extra physio sessions you would have done, the extra brain training, the supports was they just said, you know, with COVID unless it's near death, like we're not going to treat it. And then the lack of social interaction. But what it did then come up was that there was dementia there that had already been indicated previously that we hadn't picked up on.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:11:51]:
There was just more note taking and things. She was in her 70s, but again very fit, very active. And through then investigating this further I came across the work of Dr. Dale Bredesen, I'm sure, you know, who has protocols on a how to assess for early indication of a path to Alzheimer's and dementia, and then what you can do to reverse it so that you actually don't go down that path if you catch it on time.

Jean Fallacara [00:12:15]:
Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:12:15]:
And this is why I'm so passionate, because I'm like, there's so many of these chronic diseases that are not necessary. Type 2 diabetes, dementia, et cetera, if you catch them on time. And we know what the ideal markers are, where people should test for and where they should be. Just not many people actually know it's possible. And so this really led me down the path of wanting to share this with the world. And it was Covid. And, you know, I had friends coming to me asking, you know, well, you know, what should I be doing? Or what else is there? And then, you know, friends, parents would come. I'm 72, I'm a diabetic and disillusioned.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:12:50]:
I feel like I'm on the path to being amputated. You know, what's the alternative? And I'm like, you know, guys, I'm not a doctor. I'm like, I can't be giving medical advice, but look at the work of this doctor or this doctor. So this is what inspired me to start a podcast as well and share these conversations with amazing pioneers with the world. And I just thought, oh, it's a little side project for during COVID But, you know, within two months of launching 5%. Yeah. In the world. And now I've increased from there.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:13:18]:
But for me, it's. That's all vanity. I'm not interested in that. It's like, how can I help people? And I got a message of the day from someone who said she's, you know, been listening to the podcast and following social media, and her mother is indicating signs now of dementia. Like, where should she start? What did she do? And even that. Helping one person, Jean, is like, it's an impact.

Jean Fallacara [00:13:36]:
It's. It is. You're making an impact. They're helping one person at a time. It's true. Do you think that women are more sensitive to those illness than men, or they just neglect more their health than men? We see dementia growing actually, instead of going backwards. What's your take on that?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:13:58]:
Yeah, so great question. I mean, first of all, I think women are wired to consider everyone else and then look like, okay, what else should I do? Kids, family, home, work, whatever is going on. And. And obviously, with the Expectations in society now, like, oh, women should work the same hours and also take care of the kids in the house and like, you know, all the rest of it. And it's just, it's not possible. And I went through health issues previously as well and realized I'm not invincible. So we need to work on that. So one I think is for many women to understand the importance of self care, which was a big learning for me.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:14:34]:
I was also the one like, oh, if everyone else is fine, I'm fine. Wasn't really the case. So that's number one. Number two is the lack of research on women. So in 1977, as you, you'll know, the FDA banned women of childbearing age from clinical research. And even though that was overturned in 1992, a gold standard had been set because obviously women are more complex than men, right? Men have a 24 hour testosterone cycle and women have a 28 day varying hormonal cycle. So it's very hard to do clinical research on them. And I think I saw a statistic that like 70 to 80% of adverse effects from medication are in women, women, because they were not tested on women.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:15:14]:
I mean these are serious numbers. And then the lack of information around perimenopause, menopause, et cetera. And that means that women are told like, oh, you know, you should take an SSRI instead of saying these are, you know, perimenopause, menopause symptoms, et cetera. So I think it's lack of understanding, lack of knowledge, lack of self care. But specifically around the dementia and Alzheimer's, I mean a, they, they're calling it like type 3 diabetes, right? There's a lot of lifestyle and, and interventions, but specifically around estrogen and the drop off of estrogen, if women are not taking body identical HRT hormone replacement therapy, coming to menopause, it can age the body exponentially. And we've discussed in the past glycan age and I was speaking with the founder Nina Nicolina, who was showing that women are aging on average eight years biologically in that one year between having their last period and officially declaring menopause because it takes a year and a day, they're aging on average. I want to say this again. Eight years biologically.

Jean Fallacara [00:16:14]:
Eight years.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:16:15]:
Eight years.

Jean Fallacara [00:16:16]:
So even if you, yeah, even if you prepared yourself, but you don't go the right path and you get like, if you, you, you, you've been, let's say biology and you reverse your age, but you get to the menopause and then even the 10 years that you saved there are gone. Yeah, yeah. Wow.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:16:34]:
Yeah. And that's why, you know, the body identical in the US it's bio identical and depends which pharmacy and compounding pharmacy, et cetera. But you know, follow there are brilliant minds in this space. Dr. Jody Brighton, Dr. Amy Killen. I mean they have very fun also Instagram channels with silly stuff. Yes, yeah, exactly.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:16:54]:
You've had Amy, I think on as well. Right. And I've even had Dr. Joanne Manson who was heading that, that study 20 years ago where it was all misinterpreted, etc. And so anyway, for all the women listening out there from the age of 35, this could apply to you. So don't think it's only when I'm after 50. Right. So perimenopause can start from the age of 35 and every woman is different.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:17:15]:
So just to be on top of it and know yourself and check in with yourself as well, to be in your best state and, and stay like that for, for longer.

Jean Fallacara [00:17:23]:
So falls down again to what we were saying last time in your on your podcast. Falls down to education. Like I'm listening. You say starts at 35. I first got like a surprise. Then I realized that yes, it is true that some women get into menopause at 35, but where is the communication toward that? We need people like you to spread the vibes and the words and the knowledge because I don't think that the government does anything toward that. The pharmaceutical industry is zero. And women unfortunately go on social media if they have the time because they're busy.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:18:03]:
They do, we know they do. These are multi billion dollar companies.

Jean Fallacara [00:18:07]:
Yeah, yeah. And then they don't find information because they don't know who's saying the truth. Like if you listen to certain male recommending intermittent fasting every day to women. This is nonsense.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:18:19]:
Yeah, I know, I know for myself. I mean I can share an anecdote with that and like I love trying out things and I'm like, oh, intermittent fasting, great idea. And I have, you know, the great app Zero app, which I love. You know, you hit it and I'm like, you can see which zone you' in, et cetera. And oh, I'm hitting ketosis. This is great. And for certain times during the month, totally fine. So you know, the first half, but the second half, not good for women.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:18:42]:
Right. So the luteal phase where progesterone is increasing. And so I was trying at the time a continuous glucose monitor and I had my aura ring and I had like Optimized my sleep and the room temperature in the dark and, like, everything I needed and my evening routine, you name it, like, you know, I teach this stuff. So I was like, okay, I have to practice what I preach. But I'm still waking up groggy. I'm looking at my aura ring and I'm still seeing these awake spikes, even though I, I didn't feel like I woke up, but I generally thought I was a deep sleeper. And because I was trying the, the continuous glucose monitor, it actually showed me I was hypoglycemic at night because of these longer periods of intermittent fasting. So my blood sugar was dropping down to 40, 42.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:19:22]:
I mean, extremely low. So what was happening was triggering a cortisol response to get the liver to be producing more energy to keep me alive, essentially.

Jean Fallacara [00:19:30]:
Alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:19:31]:
And, yeah. And so that, that's what I really love and that's the. About this, you know, biohacking devices, health optimization, whatever you want to call it, the data and the personal data. And I'm show me a doctor in the planet Earth. Now. We obviously have more longevity and concierge doctors, but, you know, at the time, who would have asked me for my oura ring data and my CGF data as a non diabetic to say, hey, you know, you're. You're hypoglycemic at night. We need to solve this.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:19:58]:
And how do you solve it? I have, you know, at these times, I have some almond butter closer to bed, bed with no palm oil, no sugar. It maintains beautiful blood sugar levels overnight. I wake up feeling fantastic, so.

Jean Fallacara [00:20:09]:
And you sleep well.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:20:09]:
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Jean Fallacara [00:20:11]:
You have deep sleep. So what would be your recommendation in terms of intermittent fasting for women?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:20:16]:
So, a. I think number one is know your baseline and be in a very good baseline. That means you have an. A really good blood profile. Right. So your bloods are in a good state. You're not deficient in minerals and vitamins as well. Because.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:20:31]:
Because I think this is the detriment. Women are focused on just having a salad, and I'll eat a salad every day, and salad is good for me. But you need to have the variety. As Dr. Mark says, eat the rainbow each week and make sure you're getting enough protein. Also, women don't have enough protein. So if women are coming from a very good baseline in terms of all their vitamins, minerals, et cetera, they're fit, they're healthy, and they're eating well, then typically the first two weeks of the cycle are a Good time to do it up to ovulation and thereafter it's not such a good time. And, and personally I feel that it can be so detrimental to health and it can cause higher cortisol levels and stress levels on the body, which is like counterproductive.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:21:11]:
It's not what you're trying to do. So rather have like a super healthy savory breakfast. It doesn't need to be a much like if you're worried about, you know, quantity, whatever it is, but have that it'll kickstart your metabolism as well. And then, you know, a healthy lunch and an early dinner, much, much healthier. You know, do that three hour window before bedtime. So. So I think we need to separate from what works for men, works for women, and especially in this case as well.

Jean Fallacara [00:21:38]:
Yeah, thanks for the advice and this is great tips. You know, for once we clear up the mess and say the truth. So because I've heard so many things about this intermittent fasting for women and I hear so many different story, but I know that what you just said is exactly true and it works properly. You are trying as we are, we're on the same path that to make longevity mainstream. Why?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:22:07]:
So a. I'd like to define if I may, longevity or what it means for me because if I say to the longevity to some people, they're like, well, I don't want to be 80 years old for 20 more years. Like what's, what's the point in that? And, and I get it, like I don't the way we foresee that nowadays, I don't want to be like that either. So longevity for me means how do you optimize your health, your wellbeing, your mental state, your joie de vivre, right? Your joy of living and happiness in your life and passion and purpose today you raise that up and live like that for a very, very long time because then you want to live a long time doing amazing things.

Jean Fallacara [00:22:43]:
You don't want to die.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:22:44]:
Exactly right. So just to, to define that as well and so why do I want to make it accessible to, to more people and for more people to know about it? Well, one is I've seen the pain it causes when we just go down the path of this current sick care system system and the toll it takes not just on the person. So my mother with her dementia and like had we known, you know, then what we know now, it could have been picked up early, we could have, you know, likely reversed it and had a completely different situation for the family. And it doesn't just affect the person who's ill, it's all the family members. I mean, I see my father suffering so much. He's in this nursing home the whole time. I have an uncle who's had four open heart surgeries, one who's had several strokes. Yeah, like a big family, big issues, right? It's all like needless suffering.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:23:35]:
Because there is another way. Yes. There will always be, you know, some rare disease or genetic defaults, but for the average person, you can choose and we have a choice. And that's a beautiful thing. In this lifetime, we have a choice to understand, to learn, to be curious. Like, what is different ways, what are different modalities I can do to step into that highest version of myself. And as we discussed in the past, also I, for me, it's body, mind and spirit. Very important.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:24:01]:
If you're burning inside and have all this trauma unresolved, you're not going to want to also live that long either. So working on the body, mind and spirit and then not going down that path of the suffering and the disease and the type 2 diabetes that leads to blindness and amputation, I mean, it's horrific, right? Really, when you have a choice, you have a choice to do some lifestyle changes, you know, maybe, you know, do that intermittent fasting. Dr. Jason Fung is doing amazing work also on this and reversing type 2 diabetes in a matter of months, depending on how long people have been on medication. So when you have that choice and when you have seen the pain and suffering of going down that horrendous route is. And the cost as well, by the way, but that's another story that people forget. Then why not choose to be the best version of yourself today? And in part of what, what we're doing and you know, with you as well, and with what I want to do as well as a, to empower people to know there is a choice and there is another way and also to make it more accessible. And with Athena healthspan, what we're looking to do is bring in technology to the piece to really help to understand each person.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:25:08]:
And because we're all individual. Right. Like with my example with the continuous glucose monitor and the aura, and to understand that we have our medical history, we have our diagnostics, where we are now, and we can be put on these health optimization journeys on how to step into that version of ourselves in three to six months, months, and then incorporate wearable data so that on a day to day basis as we maybe sleep poorly or particularly stressed, what are the Protocols that need to be adjusted to suit us and our wellbeing in that day. So yeah, that's why I'm passionate about it, because I believe longevity should be everybody's birthrights and not just the 0.1%.

Jean Fallacara [00:25:44]:
Yeah, I do agree on that. You know, the longevity space has been crowded and floated by investment and VCs and bankers and all these things and money at General because they were over selling stuff and overpricing everything that we that that was there tomorrow. Like Devastri just said recently in my podcast as well, like tools are becoming more accessible so you can get more data, you can get more tools to track down every single aspect of your health. It's going to help to get there. Now allow me to jump back on one thing that you've just said and that hit my left part of the brain, mind, spirit and body. You're going to have to define this to me, please. Many people in the science are already in a difficult position trying to separate mind and body. But you add another layer of spirit.

Jean Fallacara [00:26:44]:
Let's make it complicated or not. Right or not. Choice I'm pretty sure you're going to get not complicated.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:26:53]:
So body I think is relatively obvious. Right. The temple that or whatever you want to call it, the house that we live in every day. And I think truly that our body is here to support us. Right. So the human inside, the spirit, the person inside. And that's why we need to take care of our body, because we take care of our body and it takes care of us. So this is our earth vessel.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:27:14]:
Right. That that gets us through this lifetime. So I think that that's fairly obvious then the minds. Right. So it's our brain, our brain function. I know you've had Jim Quick on the podcast. I'm a huge fan, love his way of thinking and how even from being a brain injured child, you can repair. And I'm so fascinated about the brain and the power of the brain.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:27:34]:
And we don't even know that much. Right. There's so much potential still there. I heard today I was listening to another podcast that the electricity field in the brain. Brain is similar to a light bulb.

Jean Fallacara [00:27:43]:
Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:27:44]:
Which doesn't seem like much. Right? Yeah.

Jean Fallacara [00:27:46]:
And depends of the people. And some are 2 watts and some are 20 watts.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:27:50]:
That's good. I like that as well. And so you know, we have this strongest super power supercomputer in the universe between our ears and like we don't even realize it. And you know, how do you take care of your brain and A dear friend of mine, neuroscientist Dr. Kristen Willem, also says, you know, we don't see the brain, so we're kind of like, oh, it's fine.

Jean Fallacara [00:28:11]:
True.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:28:11]:
She's done work with professional former NFL players, you know, who have so much head trauma and head injury and you don't realize the importance of the brain until you start on some sort of neurodegenerative disease, which is so sad, right? And so again, prevention is better than cure. Check your markers and get on top of it and keep the brain healthy, sharp, it will serve you. It's basically everything you need for your day to day life. And then we have the spirit, spirits. So the spirits. And I think everyone will have different definition, but I think for me it's that inside knowing it's your being, it's your true essence. It's like, you know, when you're in that beautiful flow state, the things that bring you joy and you just know that that's your true spirit, right? And people will have different names for it. But if that genuine true spirit of yours has maybe gone through, you know, trauma, and we all have our limiting beliefs from when our, you know, growing in our lifetime and typically between the ages of 0 and 7 and we've, you know, heard this a few times before, and the limiting beliefs that are set we continue with throughout our lifetime until we actually become consciously aware that we are not our belief systems, we are actually much greater than that and we are these powerful creators that we forget about.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:29:24]:
And so for me, that is your true essence, your true spirit that might be bogged down by thought patterns that either you developed or that were imprinted on you from your parents. Oh, you can't do this because you're not capable. You, you're, you're too wild, you're too difficult. Whatever it is that this narrative that we don't even realize we have. And so how do you do the work, do the inner work, do the shadow work? There's, you know, there's different terminologies to really peel back those layers and uncover like who, who is my true spirit? What do I love? Like genuinely love? Not because society tells me so, not because of this, but like what brings me joy. And if you have that clarity, what brings you joy, and you try to do as much of that in each day, then you will tell the difference. Difference, because you will be showing up as a true version of yourself.

Jean Fallacara [00:30:09]:
So, okay, so would that fall into conscientiousness, awareness or vibration? Because it's a neurochemical Aspect of this.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:30:20]:
Yeah, Consciousness. Yes. And consciousness is. What is consciousness? It is a vibration, essentially.

Jean Fallacara [00:30:26]:
Yeah, yeah. Today we're trying to get like if there is consciousness or not. Trying to find that. Yeah, I. Well, I think that yes, we are conscious human being, even if we experience stress. Most of the time are subconscious, but at the end of the day the subconscious is electrochemical chemical reaction of what is in your mind and what is deeply inside of you, like what you call your spirit, your. Your true you. That falls down to self awareness.

Jean Fallacara [00:30:56]:
Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:30:56]:
And yeah, self awareness and self knowing, I'd almost say. Right. Because I think it's. I've forgotten the quote that I heard the other day, but it's when you think you don't know and when you know, you don't think you know this.

Jean Fallacara [00:31:09]:
That was a quote from this Greek philosopher. Yes. Yeah, I love that quote. At the end of the day, we don't know anything because you know, here's a fact. The future is unknown. So whatever the principle of thinking and research and science and technology and mathematical formula that we set on paper today, we set them according to the moment that is now and the past. But the future is unpredictable. And what is true today can be completely false tomorrow.

Jean Fallacara [00:31:42]:
So we don't know.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:31:45]:
And this is it. And that's why it's like you can either be miserable and suffering and everything's terrible today, or you're like, you know what? I'm going to love life. I'm going to be. Choose to be optimistic and be enthusiastic. Just be like, you know, let's just see what's coming and enjoy the present moment and be in the now now and put on the positive glasses. Because why live life in a miserable way when you can live it in a great way? Right. So yeah, it's a choice. Yeah.

Jean Fallacara [00:32:11]:
Is it Claudia? Is it teachable? Is it is some things that we can teach people. Some people say that you cannot change the way I am the spirit to take your words. So yeah, I admire your positivity, I admire your way of thinking, but it's not me. What do you have to say to this? Can you change these people? You're a life coach.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:32:33]:
So, so there my curiosity hat comes on and I would question, why do you think you can't change it? What is that belief system you have running that you believe your current reality is the only reality? Why would you limit yourself that you couldn't create a different reality for yourself?

Jean Fallacara [00:32:51]:
I think that most people will answer you. It's because of my past, I would guess that I'm built or I became the person I am now. And that's probably the answer you hear most of the time, I guess.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:33:02]:
I mean, I love challenging and I love questioning and to say, okay, well, where in your. Your past did that belief come from? Oh, my father, not like that. Or my mother or my. My whole family are like this. Okay, so you learned that. So you came to planet Earth and you opened your eyes. You didn't. You're not born as a baby thinking, I can't do this, I can't do that, or, you know, the world is terrible and, and we forget.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:33:23]:
Like, this is the neural plasticity, neural pathways. Right. Certain neural pathways are like the super highway. I can't do this, I can't do that. You know, money is evil. Like whatever it might be, that narrative that you might have heard growing up, and it's repeated and repeated and especially. And I thought it was really interesting from the ages of 0 to 6 or 0 to 7, where the brain of children are in a theta state. So it's this meditative state which is highly receptive.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:33:49]:
You only need to hear things once. Is what, what I heard from this.

Jean Fallacara [00:33:52]:
I wish my wife would be in that state.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:33:54]:
Well, theta brainwave training. Sorry, put your voice on it.

Jean Fallacara [00:33:59]:
It was an easy joke.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:34:01]:
And so, and so we are so receptive that that neural pathway gets. Becomes that, that, that, that super highway. And the, the path of maybe what, what we would choose is like a jungle that you need to get your machete out and start, you know, going through the jungle to try to force yourself to think that way. And then the next time you do it and you're going down the super high, and you're like, no, I choose to go the other way. Okay, yeah, no, the positive and not really feeling it. And then maybe the third, fourth, fifth time, you're like, no, I know. And okay, I'm going to focus on the positive and I can hold it for one minute and maybe whatever. So it's.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:34:36]:
It's training and it's work and you know what? We speak. And again, it's the vibration of voice. Right? But we have to be so careful with the words we choose. How many people are like, oh, I'm so stupid, or oh, I'm so, like, I can't do this. And they just say it offhand and they don't like, oh, I didn't mean it. But it's like you reinforcing in your subconscious that you can't do this. Why don't you choose to be like, you know what, I can do this. Or I love the rephrasing.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:34:57]:
Instead of like, I have to get up, I have to, you know, go to work, I have to get my kids. Instead of changing it to, I get to. I get to get up, I get to pick up my kids, I get to go to work. How many people don't, don't. Aren't able to do these? Right.

Jean Fallacara [00:35:10]:
So it's the verbiage, like, yeah. The way you express yourself. Um, actually, you got me on some things here when you said you have to be very careful on the word you use. Um, I found in my personal life that is absolutely true with women more than men, each word has an impact. And I've learned to. Like, in France, they say, roll your tongue six times or seven times in your mouth before saying some things. That's what I do when I talk to women, because every word counts way more than for men.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:35:42]:
Yeah, I mean, I think you're more typical woman. I think there's some are more dwellers than others. I'd say my mind is already onto the next thing. So I thought maybe your typical woman. But from what I know from some other friends, let's say that some women will, like, really analyze and analyze again. Again, you know, well, he said this, and it must mean this or that. But you know what's really funny? I've had Dr. John Gray on the podcast, who was a Buddhist monk, and then after, I think it was eight years, decided to come out and had no idea about relationships, so started interviewing people and then became a relationship and sex expert because he had to find out.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:36:16]:
And everyone's like, oh, you actually know more. Anyway, 26 New York Times bestselling books later. But he was trying to educate, and he was saying, you know, on the podcast, explaining that it's a hormonal thing, right? So always like, you know, men, when you come home, you ask your wife or your significant other, you know, how was your day, honey? Right. Very American. How was your day, honey? Don't comment. It's just. Just ask. And she'll go on and on and on.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:36:38]:
And just when you can't take it anymore, just say, go on, tell me more. On and on and on, because what's happening, the women feel you're. They're being heard and seen. The estrogen levels are going up, and then they feel super connected and they feel super happy, and they will do anything for them, Right? So a little bit women might be like, I'm doing it so. And the opposite is true for men. Right. So for men, they just want to get a bit of appreciation. They're there to be the providers.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:37:04]:
This is the words of Dr. John Gray. I would, might, might have phrased it in a different way, but all you need to say is like, well done. Or that's a great idea.

Jean Fallacara [00:37:12]:
What happens?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:37:13]:
Testosterone levels go up and they're like, oh, I've provided, I'm doing a good job. The worst is if men's testosterone levels go down relative to their estrogen levels. Because, yes, men have estrogen levels too. And that's when they get emotional and shouty and messy. So it's like, no, just find little words like good job or great idea. That's great. And then they're like, oh, perfect. Yeah.

Jean Fallacara [00:37:33]:
So anyway, it works on both. Yeah. If you. Let's pretend you switch over what you just said and you apply the reverse. You go to men and you say what you said to woman and you go to woman. You said what? You go to men. It's going to work also.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:37:45]:
Really. But men don't want to talk about, do they? I don't know.

Jean Fallacara [00:37:48]:
Yeah, it's just like, I know that everybody on this planet is trying to get some sort of recognition in a way or the other. So appreciation. And today women are becoming stronger and stronger. They need to be supported as well. So a small bum telling them, good job, I'm proud of you, will probably raise testosterone at the same time in both, but it would work. Yeah, yeah. It's a win. Win, absolutely.

Jean Fallacara [00:38:17]:
Especially before menopause when the estrogen is still there.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:38:22]:
Exactly. No, I think, I mean, look, appreciation. Who doesn't like appreciation? You can appreciate children, the big smiles and I think we're just so busy and, you know, I teach my kids as well. Like, we spend 99% of our time somehow thinking about ourselves, our own problems, our own things. So having somebody else externally, like, hey, that's amazing and that's great, you know, you can make somebody's day. Like, that might be the nicest thing anyone has said to them that day. So a little appreciation goes a long way.

Jean Fallacara [00:38:47]:
I think that you can make anybody's day by love. Our planet lacks love. As simple as that. We raise our children without showing the true love because we want them to behave in a way or the other. But I'm a true believer that if you raise your children by just surrounding them by pure love, you're going to do a way better job than trying to teach them whatever lesson that you've heard or read or seen on any media or whatsoever. And our world today lacks of this basic part of our well being that is love. A bit of oxytocin added to the water to everyone wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:39:36]:
That sounds like a cool experiment. We are trying that as well. Yeah, I totally agree with you. Yeah, exactly. Let's find a few other volunteers. We'll do some oxytocin in the water. I love it. So I like, I really like what you're saying.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:39:50]:
I love what you're saying. I should say even better is that. And I, you know, when you become a parent, for those that are parents listening, you know, we unfortunately or fortunately fall back to things that we saw our parents do in childhood. Right. So. And you pick up yourself like, oh my God, this is what my mother did. Or my father like, oh. So it's again, that unconsciousness is like running the show unless we consciously decide different way.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:40:15]:
And I do very much agree with you is that we expect so much of our kids and to do this and that and, and it's just pausing and playing and that unconditional love. And, you know, I'm guilty of, you know, I'm busy and I have this and I'm. Oh, don't forget to do your homework. And then we have to pack this and that and it's like, oh, it's like, is that really important?

Jean Fallacara [00:40:34]:
Yeah, no.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:40:35]:
Oh, let's play hey, how are you? And cuddles and love and remind them how much you love them. And you know, with jokes like, I love you to the end of the universe and back and then like, is that possible? I'm like, that's a good question.

Jean Fallacara [00:40:46]:
Actually. I would, it would take me nights to make a calculation on that now.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:40:49]:
Calculator provision on that.

Jean Fallacara [00:40:52]:
Exactly.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:40:54]:
I actually don't think it's possible. Right. To end the universe and back. But okay. And so I think, you know how, how, how to spread more love. Right. And. And I don't know, I'd love to hear.

Jean Fallacara [00:41:03]:
Good question, good question, good question. How?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:41:06]:
What do you think?

Jean Fallacara [00:41:07]:
Yeah, well, you know, it's always like, you always have the artificial way of doing it. Like as a joke, I said, like, let's put oxytocin in water and have everybody on this planet drinking some water. We put fluoride in water and we actually poisoned a lot of people in Europe with that. So why not toxitocin? The chemical way could work. Definitely. We can also provide chocolate to everyone and make a similar crop.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:41:36]:
Mdma.

Jean Fallacara [00:41:36]:
Yeah, mdma. But I think that it falls Back to what we were saying before education. We need to educate people on this planet to be through like most people are the reflection of who they would like to be, but they're not themselves. When you start being yourself, your true, you like the spirit using your definition, then everything is easy, everything is natural. And love, love is just coming along the way by his natural steps without forcing anything. It's as simple as that. So yeah, we can give a bump using chemicals or oxytocin but I think that our role, both of us is education.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:42:20]:
Education. And I think it's also starting with self love. I would say I would add to that. And so I think if you ask a room of people on average how many people love themselves and it's not in a arrogance or whatever way, I would say nine People would struggle to put their hand up y yourself. It's been a journey, Jean. Honestly, I perfectionist. Like now? Yes. Like much more.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:42:46]:
Is it perfect? I don't know. I'm always like I could do this better. Like I am a recovering perfectionist.

Jean Fallacara [00:42:52]:
Never enough progress.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:42:54]:
Never enough. Exactly. Like second daughter syndrome. I had to prove myself three masters, four languages. Like never enough. Never enough. Never enough. And you know, again limiting beliefs from childhood and oh, it's always moving the goalpost and accomplish this, that's another next one as well.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:43:10]:
And so it's coming back to self and not needing to have any external validation but actually appreciating the uniqueness of self and what you can do and just being happy with that. And it's not settling. It's actually just finding the joy in our uniqueness. Right.

Jean Fallacara [00:43:28]:
And our recognizing you are. Yeah. You know, I think that most high achiever are like that Never enough. Always trying to do more, getting to the next level, learning more. These behaviors become obsessive compulsive. And I've been into that as well. I can tell you Claudia, I adore myself. That I love.

Jean Fallacara [00:43:49]:
I adore myself. Honestly.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:43:51]:
Has it always been like that, Jean?

Jean Fallacara [00:43:52]:
I've always loved myself. But today I. It's. It's way higher than that. I found in a perfect balance and equilibrium of everything and. And I'm no longer obsessed. And I think this is the past, you know, like you obsessed of learning obsess of achievement and successes and. And businesses.

Jean Fallacara [00:44:14]:
But those are like exteriors stuff and when you turn out to look inside this is where you actually. You can only love to the extreme. Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:44:24]:
And knowing that in the whole wide universe there's only one of us and just appreciating how unique we are and what a gift we are to ourselves.

Jean Fallacara [00:44:34]:
Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:44:34]:
And just.

Jean Fallacara [00:44:34]:
Yeah. I love, yeah, I love that. You know one of my favorite sentences always like. And I, I, I don't take credit for it because I heard it in the movie with Brad Pitt. Don't remember the title.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:44:46]:
Seven years of it.

Jean Fallacara [00:44:47]:
No, no, no way. Violence, Fight Club. When he was saying we are all unique snowflakes and it is true. We are all unique snowflakes and we're all made differently. Even with this complex crystal structure that water offered to be a snowflake. Every single snowflake on this planet is different.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:45:09]:
It's amazing.

Jean Fallacara [00:45:09]:
Crazy.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:45:10]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean even identical twins are different. Right. And again the gold and essence and things too. So yeah, I think that's, that's to celebrate in itself like what an amazing fact that we're on this planet and we have this lifetime and mission and things that we can do and. Yeah. So need to embrace that and more.

Jean Fallacara [00:45:27]:
Yeah. What's your next big step? You, you're, you're on this enormous project now. How do you see yourself achieving what you are building up?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:45:36]:
I think for me, so yes, with Athena and speaking and getting out there and I think for me what I would love is, you know, to help as many people as possible in this life time know that they can choose another path. They can choose a path to step into the highest version of themselves, to not go down the health issue path. So as I mentioned, body, mind and spirit. So it's more than just you can optimize your health or you can reverse your biological age. Those are all great. But when you figure out your why, your purpose that is so great and you've done that shadow work and you've cleared that and you're really your true essence of why you're here and you, what is your impact that you want to make on this planet that's greater than yourself? Can you imagine that if the whole world, that we all were on a beautiful mission to make the world a better place, like what an incredible place would the world be? So I think that's part of the mission is to impact, inspire, to educate, whatever the word is, it's a technical term but to connect with enough people so that they understand like there's a beautiful higher path out there that we can do to step into our true version of ourselves, ourselves to impact in a positive way the planet, other people and yeah, just, just live at a higher version of reality that's available to us right now.

Jean Fallacara [00:46:51]:
Love it. So inspiring. So beautiful. Thank you for saying that. Thank you for sharing your thought. If people wants to learn about you, where do they find you? Or what's the best way to find information on what you're doing, what's your mission, how they can be helped by you as well? It's important because you're there for them.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:47:12]:
Yeah, sure. Thank you. So on Instagram, I'm with the @ longevity and lifestyle very long handle.

Jean Fallacara [00:47:20]:
That's a very easy one to remember.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:47:22]:
If I mean, when I began with longevity, people like, how do you spell longevity?

Jean Fallacara [00:47:26]:
It's so complicated.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:47:27]:
So AT Longevity and Lifestyle is where most content is. I have also podcasts. People are welcome to check it out. Jean has been on it as well, so definitely check out that conversation. It's the longevity and with the and symbol. When I came up with the name, wasn't thinking. So the Longevity and lifestyle podcast available on all channels. And then obviously my name, Claudia Von Berzalaga B O E S E L A g are on LinkedIn as well.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:47:58]:
People can connect with me.

Jean Fallacara [00:47:59]:
Yeah, you're very active on LinkedIn as well. And. And I will definitely put all these links on the caption when we're going to put this episode on YouTube and on different platform. Thank you, Claudia. Thank you, Jean.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:48:15]:
Thank you for all the amazing work you're doing, your inspiration and yeah, this mission that we share on this planet to help as many people as possible. So I look forward to many more great conversations. So thank you so much for having me on.