Claudia von Boeselager [00:01:53]:
Welcome Alex and Molly to the Longevity and Lifestyle Podcast. I'm so exc excited for our episode today and for you dear audience. So you know this is part one of two. So part two you will find on their wonderful podcast Biohacking Blondes, available if I'm not mistaken, on all podcast stations and channels, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, etc. Beautiful. So I'd love to start with maybe for my audience just to give a quick synopsis of your background and how you both became passionate about biohacking health optimization.

Molly Segal [00:02:29]:
Sure, I can start. Hi Hi everyone, I'm Molly Segal. I am an FDN practitioner that stands for Functional Diagnostic Nutrition and I do all the fun Things I do blood work, I do GI map stool testing. I do hormone testing with Dutch and stress and hormone panels. So I sort of do a lot of the functional work and can prescribe diet, rest, exercise, stress and supplements for anyone who needs sort of a deeper dive into their health. How did. It was the question, how did I get started in.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:03:04]:
Yeah. What inspired you to go down this interesting route? Right.

Molly Segal [00:03:09]:
So many years ago. So I have a 10 year old daughter right now, and when she was born, it sort of sparked a lot of interest in nutrition because I was like, you know, I was like breastfeeding and then I was like, oh, I actually have to feed this person now. What am I going to feed her? And I had been like a vegetarian and I did all these weird things that I thought were healthy. You know, trying to be healthy, as.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:03:36]:
We all have done. Right? Yeah, Yeah.

Molly Segal [00:03:39]:
I think my parents were like, very. My parents are, like, from the Midwest and they have had, like, very rare steak every night for dinner. And I think that's why I just.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:03:49]:
Enough of this. I've done enough.

Molly Segal [00:03:54]:
And then I realized later on you could actually cook it and it would, and it tastes better. But so that. So I would always been somewhat health conscious. But then when she. I had her really became like, I started to read books. I actually read Dr. Perlmutter's book and we had interviewed him on our podcast and I told him that I was like, I loved your book. It sort of was my launching point into nutrition.

Molly Segal [00:04:16]:
Um, and then, like, I learned all the things. So gluten, dairy, like, wow, who knew that they could cause all these headaches or, you know, issues that other people were having? So I just found that really interesting and inspiring and. And that's kind of. That was like my entry point. So I became a health coach at first, and then I moved into being a practitioner now. So. But I love it.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:04:37]:
And also the functional perspective too, which I love. Right. So I'm always sort of preaching like, you need to look at things from a functional perspective. And maybe just for my audience, can you clarify, like, what's the difference between a functional and non functional practitioner? Sure.

Molly Segal [00:04:52]:
So. Well, there's all different kinds of practitioners. But what I do that's different is I look at the body as a holistic person. So we do many tests, not just one blood test. Right. You look at, we look at blood work, stool tests. We look at a hormone. A stress and hormone panel that looks at cortisol and all of your sex hormones.

Molly Segal [00:05:12]:
We look, we do food sensitivity testing and Then we bring it all together and we say, okay, this person, let's look at this person from a whole person perspective. So, you know, let's take away all the stressors that we can, like remove, you know, food sensitivities, remove structures. Like, let's focus on stress. If their cortisol is like really high or if it's too low, what can we do about that? Give them supplements. And so what I do, I don't prescribe any drugs. I don't prescribe surgery. I can refer out if I feel like that's something that might be necessary in particular cases. But everything I do is holistic.

Molly Segal [00:05:50]:
So it's just food and supplements and sort of getting your lifestyle straight and all the biopacking fun stuff too.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:05:57]:
Amazing. So I'll let Alex kick off, but I'd love to ask you after about some success stories, like what you've seen, because I think obviously people listening to the podcast in general know about this approach, but the transformation that is still possible through the holistic approach, I think some people are so indoctrinated into it has to be pills and pharmaceuticals and it's, you know, you're, you're never pharmaceutical deficient. Right. So I'd like to kick off on that and some success stories if you can share. But Alex, first, let's hear from you. Yeah.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:06:27]:
And I would say to tie onto that, that's kind of how my journey started, because I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's after my first son was born. So this is now 18 years ago. And I was very, very, very sick. So couldn't get out of bed, dizzy every single day. And when I saw the best function, the best, not functional medicine doctor, but doctor and specialist in London on Harley street, he told me that this is the way I'm going to be for the rest of my life. Up and down. Okay. And I.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:06:56]:
That didn't sit very well with me. So that's where my journey started. That's when I was starting to this can't be right and looking for different answers. So I was visiting with acupuncturist, naturopaths, et cetera, et cetera. And it wasn't until about seven years into the journey when I found a functional medicine doctor in London. And she ran all the blood work and we're talking heavy metals, molds, parasites, the gamut, right. And deficiencies and, you know, intolerances, et cetera. And she found that I was sky high in all of the above.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:07:29]:
So, you know, red, full of mold, full of Heavy metals, et cetera, et cetera. So he started detoxing me. And it was revolutionizing for me because all of a sudden my dizzy spells, which I lived with every single day, I was literally on a, you know, sea, a rough sea, every day and less, and felt very unwell. And they literally, after a month of doing the detoxing, they were 80 to 90% gone.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:07:55]:
So this, let's just highlight that after one month and how many years had you suffered? One month I had suffered.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:08:03]:
I had suffered seven, eight years by that time. And it was every single day. So. And from that point, things have just gotten better and better. And three, three and a half years ago, we relocated from London to the US and it was when Covid happened, we moved to Florida. And I saw the whole need of everyone was so afraid. And I said, you know what? We know how important the immune system is. And looking after the immune system and the vitamin D levels in your blood can, you know, the mortality rates goes down with like 90% if you have sufficient vitamin D levels.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:08:37]:
So I ended up creating my flagship product, which became the Scandi Labs Immune Formula plus, which is a liposomal product with vitamins C, D, K, A, E and elderberry. And it was kind of a message in a bottle that I could put into people's hands and say, you got an immune system, you can work on it. And then a conversation could start. So from that I launched off to biohacking, which my neighbor here ended up buying all the equipment for a home. So you're talking red light beds, tubs and ozone and PEMF, etc. And I started using it. And that took my health, my energy, my sleep, my hormones to a whole different level. So that's how I'm now I call myself.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:09:17]:
You know, I'm running Scandalabs, which has become a health and wellness company. But it's also. I'm also calling myself a biohacking concierge. So I went in and partnered with all these companies that are carrying this equipment and I now put it into homes and to private clinics. And it's because I'm so passionate. I saw the results in my own well being. Like, I am, you know, I'm almost 50 now, but I feel like I'm 20. I feel better than when I was 20.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:09:42]:
So that's kind of the message to people. And it's not to be cocky, but it is totally to. To tell people that it's totally achievable. Because if I could. You can.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:09:53]:
100%. Yeah, yeah. And I think so many people in the face, I mean, myself included as well, of chronic, you know, sinusitis, chronic fatigue. I mean, the doctor kept coming with new things are like, oh, this is chronic, this, you know, irritable, leaky guts, etc, And I was just like, you know, are you kidding me? Like, how long is this list? And I was like, what is it going to be in 10 years and 20 years if it continues down this? And I mean, I'm the like, you know, a type wanting to do everything. I don't need to. Sleepily thought in my twenties I can sleep when I'm dead. I mean, started my career in Investment Banking doing 100 plus hour weeks and then serial entrepreneur and like, oh, it'll all be fine. And I'm listening to the doctor and it was just so far and I'm like, who is he talking about? I was like, that can't be me.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:10:32]:
But you know, when you have that personal experience or a loved one who has that personal experience. And I mean, I've shared with my audience, but I, you know, my mother has dementia, my father's cancer, and these are all preventable things if we catch them on time. And that's the beauty of it. So I think, you know, what we share is how to inspire people to realize, like, you can do something too. You don't have to go down the path of chronic disease and pain and suffering.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:10:56]:
Boom. Exactly. And to also just add to that, both of my parents died of cancer five years ago and 10 years ago. So that really spurred my journey even more of a push to get this message out to the masses. Right. And I wish I knew then what I know now.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:11:14]:
100%.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:11:15]:
Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:11:16]:
So I mean, even though there's dementia, which many people are like, oh, you know, there's no drug that will fix it. Yeah, of course there's no drug that will fix it. However, there are many lifestyle interventions. You have to do the testing. I've had Dr. Dale Bredesen, who I'm sure you're familiar with, on as well. And there are protocols which make sense, similar tests to what you had. You know, if your toxic load is high, if you have, you know, black mold exposure, your vitamin, vitamin D is too low, magnesium, like, you name it, there's certain factors, insulin resistance, et cetera, that Dr.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:11:43]:
Bredesen has identified 38 underlying drivers. Like if you get on top of those and you solve for them and you stay in optimal ranges, you don't need to have a neurodegenerative disease. Like, yeah, correct this Is amazing. Like hello, like down that route, see what happens. Otherwise it's so painful.

Molly Segal [00:11:58]:
How is she doing now, your mom?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:12:00]:
She's unfortunately late stage because by the time I found Dale, basically she was already at a marker score of 11 and his clinical trials have shown being able to reverse. So for those unfamiliar, the MOCA score is the Montreal Cognitive Assessment Score, which is just a bellwether sort of where you are. Perfect cognition is at a 30. And with ongoing dementia cognitive decline, it will decrease down to at 1.0. Right. And so she was already in the 11. That said, with my mother there were underlying factors, but also head trauma incidents. So she had a very, very bad fall in January 2020 that expedited things.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:12:34]:
She was eight weeks in hospital in the US which is almost like unheard of. But she was recovering and then Covid hit. So all the nor support and things that she would have had were just not allowed because I said as long as if it's not life threatening, then we won't do all the extra physio and interaction like that too. And so I think that just completely changed the trajectory of her recovery to just down spiraling. And so I mean now we're trying to help her to relearn how to walk. I'm quite optimistic and also looking to relocate to Florida. And if we're there then I can do a lot more and get her into the hyperbaric oxygen chamber and doing different things as well. So to be continued.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:13:12]:
But thank you for us.

Molly Segal [00:13:13]:
Well, you gotta come down and see us. We'll hook you up on wrap here. We, we know everywhere to go. Yeah, totally. I have to say my aunt had the same thing. She had a dementia, but she had a bad fall and she, she slipped on a curb and hit her head and was really like, you know, it made the disease much worse over a very short period of time. Like within a couple years, it was like that was it. So it really.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:13:45]:
I know. And the thing is, my mother, in January 2020 was still going to the gym five mornings a week. Wow. And so it's like, it's not like she was a couch potato and didn't do anything like she was active. There were looking back now, early signs of her writing things down, more asking things, maybe mentioning something, but you're just thinking like, okay, so again, knowing what I know now, I would have been much more on top of it. Like we have to check everything. What do we need to adjust? So through Dale's tests and things like that, Bredesen we found out that the two main drivers were the head trauma and lack of HRT following a hysterectomy in the 90s. And those were her two main.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:14:25]:
And then a little bit of insulin resistance, things like that, too. But again, like, it's. It's the. The combination, the bouquet, if you will, of different factors, and it's for some people that, like, it's overwhelming, but it's like just. And check it and check it properly, and then, you know, and then just that's your baseline, and then you can optimize it from there and you can tell if something's off and fix it again.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:14:46]:
But. But, Claudia, I mean, I think that's the driver of what you do, what you do and what we do, what we do, because it's to get the message out. Most people don't know this. This is it. 90 of people have no idea. They just follow their doctor. And if I had followed my doctor. If you guys have follow your doctors, you'll be stuck.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:15:03]:
You basically be still very sick. So I think that's the whole point. And, yeah, that's why we're passionate about this.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:15:12]:
Yeah. 100. And I mean, I have a lot of doctor friends, and obviously the challenging thing is that we are in the space, so, like, we assume everybody knows this.

Molly Segal [00:15:20]:
Like, what?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:15:20]:
But then you start with friends outside, and they're like, totally.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:15:23]:
What are you talking about?

Molly Segal [00:15:24]:
Yes, totally.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:15:27]:
All the time.

Molly Segal [00:15:28]:
Walk up to people, and she'll be like. She'll be like, oh, like, you know, the red bed? And people are like, what?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:15:33]:
Like, paint your bed red. Like, what are you doing?

Molly Segal [00:15:38]:
And she's like, you never heard of a red bed? She's always, like, so, like, upset that people don't know about every. All this stuff.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:15:46]:
I know. Well, look, the more vocal we are, I guess, and sharing, then the more people will know. Of course I have one. I ordered it yesterday. Right.

Molly Segal [00:15:53]:
So.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:15:53]:
Exactly. Exactly.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:15:54]:
Yeah. So, Molly, I'd love if you share some of your success stories from the holistic perspective. Right. Of some clients, etc. Obviously you for yourself and your health. Right. But, you know, maybe you can share for my audience as well.

Molly Segal [00:16:06]:
Sure. Well, I went in to become an FDN practitioner because I was not getting the help that I wanted. And I was a health coach, and I felt like I didn't have enough tools in my toolbox. So I did the FDN training, and for me, it was big because I was having a stress and hormone issue. So totally saved my life. Saved, you know, my family's life. Because I was going crazy. So I had.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:16:31]:
Hormones will do that to you.

Molly Segal [00:16:32]:
Yeah, I mean, I had a hormonal, I had, I had very low estrogen. My mother had gone into menopause in her late 30s and it was, there were a lot of issues with stress management and all of that. And through fdn, I was really able to get myself much more level. So just for myself personally, like, selfishly, I went in to do that, to heal my own issues. And now I'm able to manage all my own HRT and all of that stuff, which is. Gives me so much feel, so powerful. Like, I feel like instead of going to all these places that they were like, you're too young to have a hormonal problem, you're too blah, blah, blah, or like, whatever. And I'm like, I feel like, like.

Molly Segal [00:17:17]:
Yeah, like what? Oh, anyway. Oh. So for. In terms of other people, I mean like major weight loss. I mean, you know, 30, 50 pound weight loss is usually where it starts. With most of my clients I often.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:17:32]:
Why is that purely nutrition or because you're healing the gut or what's going on there that such amazing numbers are coming out?

Molly Segal [00:17:39]:
Yeah. So it's like, it's. Whenever I get a client, it's a storm of problems. Right. It's some sort of gut infection on their GI map. So typically it's like an H. Pylori or a Candida infection. So we go in and we detox that.

Molly Segal [00:17:54]:
Even before we do that, we open up their detox pathways. So we open up the liver, we take some liver supplements, try to get them to sort of sweat more and that kind of thing. But with each person it's a little different what it, where it is that they're lacking. Like, sometimes I have clients come in and they're like, I work out seven days a week and I'm super, super blah, blah, blah. But I eat McDonald's and I eat, you know, Chick Fil a every day.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:18:18]:
Okay.

Molly Segal [00:18:19]:
So we got exercise down perfect. Like, you don't have to go into that lifestyle world, but like, you know, then we, we talk about nutrition and our macros and just making sure my, the way I teach nutrition is I make sure that at every meal you're having a protein, a fat, healthy vegetable and, and you know, just like a healthy carb, like a, like a potato, like a sweet potato or something like that. So teaching people really how to eat is the biggest thing that I do. I think that once you learn that you have that, you know, fishing skill for life, you, you you can sit down and be like, okay, this meal is missing this, this meal is missing that. Okay, perfect. Now I have a perfect meal. I don't have to worry about being hungry. I don't have to worry about not feeling satiated.

Molly Segal [00:19:03]:
You know, I have these clients, they like sit with a bag of chips. They're like, I just ate a whole bag of chips. I should be full. It's like a thousand calories, right? And you're like, you're like, well, okay, what. What macros did that cover? And they're like, oh, okay. Just starch. So.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:19:22]:
Yeah, like somebody told me and I wonder if you know this. Molly, just. If I may interrupt, Somebody was explaining that the seed oils and I haven't research this myself, but basically the seed oils and like, because they're so highly inflammatory, but they essentially cover the enzymes that are the receptors to let your brain know that you're actually full. Have you ever heard this concept?

Molly Segal [00:19:43]:
I have heard a little. Yes, yes, yes. So that's interesting too, right?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:19:47]:
So that's.

Molly Segal [00:19:47]:
You're e. Not only are you only eating a starch, but you're eating it with the seed oil. That's like making you hungrier.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:19:53]:
You have no receptor. You eat a whole bag of Doritos or whatever in your life. I can't believe I just ate a bag of Doritos and I'm so hungry. Like, you know, how is this possible? I actually need to do some research into this.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:20:02]:
But yeah, that's really interesting. I've never. I haven't heard that. That's. Wow. Fascinating.

Molly Segal [00:20:07]:
It's funny, there's a lot of stuff on seed oils now coming through and I even, I'm even seeing now in my feed now people saying like, oh, there's no background on seed oils being bad for you and blah, blah, blah. But there's such an array of seed oils too. And it's like people bulk it and it's like saying meat is bad for you. And you're like, okay, there's like grass fed meat. There's like in conventional meat, like, what are we talking about? I. So anyway, I see all these, like different things popping up now. People are very dependent about their seed oils. I don't know, it's weird.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:20:34]:
It's so important though as well. I mean, I teach that like, you know, the only ones to really focus on for cooking. I found an odorless organic coconut oil. Odorless, obviously, because otherwise everything's going to taste like coconut and coconut, but not that much. Yeah, exactly. Macadamia nut Oil is great for cooking as well. And then just for salads and things like the, you know, organic cold press olive oils. What else is there? There's the avocado oil as well, but it's like a very limited amount of oils.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:21:02]:
And then obviously I use like the grass fed butter for certain things as well. But everything else, like literally I, I'm telling my kids, they're eight and you know, 11 bless them. I'm always like preaching different things and they're like, but no one else knows this from my friends. I'm like, pass it on. And we did a YouTube video, how seed oils are prepared. Because everyone's like, oh, it's a sunflower. Like the pretty sunflower. Like this must be good.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:21:26]:
Oh yeah, have a look. Like I encourage everyone listening and watching, please Google and even watch with your kids or family members. Like, how are seed oils prepared? And it's through the process of preparation that they're oxidized. So they become highly inflammatory in the body. But they add petroleum based products to it. I've forgotten the chemical terms. If you actually think what is actually in there, it is like, like, honestly your stomach turns and knowing that is like the 100 reason why not to use it at home. But then you have to also think, and this is where I have struggle going out to restaurants, being like, what are they cooking this in? Like is this covered in as well? So I feel like I'm a little bit anti social.

Molly Segal [00:22:09]:
And a few other places, but those are the only ones that don't have cedar.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:22:12]:
Exactly.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:22:14]:
But you live in London though, so wait till you come to the US because you are still. I live in London. London is easy. It's easy to find here. It's actually kind of a nightmare because the difference between the UK and the US is that in the US they constantly try and kind of cheat you. Meaning they're trying to think that you are being healthy, but you're actually not. So I was in Publix yesterday. My husband was too at a separate event and he came back and he said, you know what, I am struggling in there.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:22:52]:
I'm looking for what is least unhealthy. So not like you're actually struggling every which way you turn. Even the olive oils in the US is they cheating for you? So like the olive oils are not just pure olive oil. They're diluting them and they don't have to tell you. I don't do that in Europe, you see. So yeah, struggle here.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:23:15]:
No, but I literally, I have two places in London Where I go to get a Spanish brindisan, like, brand olive oil that I really like, that I know. And it's in the can. It's not the typical one. Yes, it's at a premium. But again, I don't cook with it. I. I just use it for, like, salads. And, like, you know, even when I.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:23:33]:
After I cook the meat, I put it on it as well. And it's hard to find. And even in restaurants, you know, you can ask. It's like, oh, does it have this, that and the other? They're like, yeah, there's an oil on it. It's like, well, yeah, they don't know what it is. Okay. I was like, it depends on the oil. Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:23:50]:
So anyway, we do what we can. Yeah, exactly. It depends what we do with. So, ladies, I'd love to hear some of your key, you know, health optimization strategies. Your routines. Like, what are you doing to be in such a beautiful optimal state?

Molly Segal [00:24:06]:
Do you want to start? She's. She's got a big stack. I got a big stack.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:24:11]:
Okay. Yes.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:24:11]:
Let me know.

Molly Segal [00:24:13]:
Yeah.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:24:13]:
It starts in the morning. First, sunlight reset the circadian rhythm. Very important. I'm outside here in Florida, Easy. Then I get myself on my PEMF mat every single morning, and I run either transform or synchronize. So there are five different programs. I run one of the two, and I do my WIM HOF breathing on the cloud mat. So that's first.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:24:36]:
And then I get kind of the kids ready, and then I ground on the beach every morning with my dog. So I walk for about an hour with my husband every morning. And then I come back and I do work. Okay. So. And then I make sure to get movement in after that. And then I go and I do probably every other day my biohacking stack over at my friend's house. So that is hyper dissolved oxygen and ozone in a tub.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:25:04]:
So I'm submerged in the oxygen and the ozone. And because of the nanobubble technology, it goes through the skin. Oh, it's amazing. And again, I'm actually getting this project out to the world now. So it's in Thailand, it's in Japan. We're getting a lot of projects in Europe, which is very exciting. So that's that. And then with that, I do the red light bed, and I stack it with methylene blue blue.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:25:26]:
So methylene blue in there. And then I. Every other day, when I don't do those two things, I do intermittent hypoxia training machine. And I have that in my house. So that takes you from. Yes. To hypoxia in intervals. Right.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:25:44]:
So rheoxia is basically when we are at sea level. And then you climb up. So sea level for four minutes. Then you climb up to Mount Everest and you spend four minutes in thin air. You're breathing in a mask. Right. And then you go down, up and down. I do about four circles of that.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:26:03]:
And that stresses the mitochondria, so it creates more ATP. But it's incredible too, because I'm involved with stem cells as well. And it's incredible to do before stem cell treatment to optimize the treatment as well. So that's an amazing, amazing stack. And what I've noticed with that, and my husband too, is that your exercise is like, like, like I am setting records in my running and my, like, oh, my God, like, I'm setting records. I'm like on fire. And that really has helped me with that. So.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:26:31]:
Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:26:32]:
Yeah, that's really exciting. And it's literally up to Everest altitude. That's almost 7,000 meters. Wow.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:26:39]:
Correct. Yeah. Yeah, that's what it is. Yep. So it becomes harder to breathe. And you set it. The settings with the SpO2 cut off. So you know if you get too low with the oxygen in your blood, it will supply more.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:26:52]:
Right. So you're not dying on the machine.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:26:54]:
You're not gonna let.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:26:55]:
Yeah, so. So that's that. And then. And then throughout the day. Yeah. Try and eat as clean as possible, obviously. And I also believe mindset is very important and community is extremely important. So that's that.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:27:10]:
And then the blue blockers, which I should use more than I do. They're laying here and I should use them more because it's really important before when it gets. Gets dark outside and got all these blue screens, which is really bad for you.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:27:23]:
So, yeah, a little technology hack. There's a free app called Flux F Lux. You install it on your computer and it will automatically it picks up. You just tell it where you are in the world and if you travel, it will adjust. And it knows when sunset is, so it will change from blue light to that warm yellow light. You don't even need to do it.

Molly Segal [00:27:43]:
I have that.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:27:46]:
Oh, yeah, I gotta do that. So. Yeah, but still, sometimes when you walk around the house, I guess because we don't have the lights adjusted just yet. Yeah, it's coming.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:27:55]:
Exactly.

Molly Segal [00:27:56]:
Yes, I have those. I have those antique bulbs that, like, are very low and people come to my house and they're like, why is it so.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:28:04]:
Back in the 1800s.

Molly Segal [00:28:07]:
I'm like, no, we're in the 1800s.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:28:09]:
It's like, it's romantic. Just be like.

Molly Segal [00:28:16]:
I know other people who are more aggressive and they only have red light on at night and that's actually kind of weird to creepy to me. Like, that's like too much.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:28:23]:
But, you know, you laugh at me. I was literally the other night, like, a friend was saying that her husband reads with the red light, and I was like, oh, okay, Interesting. I've literally was like looking on Amazon, like, should I buy one? Bearing in mind I have two different red light devices. One is, like, also portable. I was like, you know, should I buy just that head torch thing or should I use the other light in case I were to wake up at night or at nighttime and stuff too? But anyway, that's on my contemplation list of the red light also help me fall asleep faster. So if you did your reading the red light as well, but I'm not quite there yet.

Molly Segal [00:28:54]:
I know. Well, it makes you fall asleep so fast. Like, I, like, we were trying to do a podcast the other day with those glasses on, and I was like, I am so sleepy. Like, I can't.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:29:01]:
Yeah, totally.

Molly Segal [00:29:05]:
We need the yellow ones during the day because if you put the red ones on in the middle of the day, you're like, oh, my God.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:29:10]:
Kind of. This is your rhythm, I guess. Yeah. As well.

Molly Segal [00:29:13]:
Yeah, it's wild. Well, I don't, I. I don't do as much as Alex, but in my day, she has a lot of energy. But I. I mean, I always start my day with journaling, which to me is like a big release of, you know, stuff. And it gets me kind of organized and gets my mindset right. I have. I literally have this journal with me everywhere I go.

Molly Segal [00:29:34]:
I don't.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:29:35]:
Amazing.

Molly Segal [00:29:37]:
And then, I mean, I try to get out in the sun, but it depends on what is happening with my daughter. So. So, you know, they kind of can flow by. But at some point in the day, I'm doing, you know, 30 to 60 minutes of exercise. I'm always doing a yoga class. I. It's not as like, what I know when, you know, when you have kids, it's. When you have young kids especially, you know, it's a little bit harder to find free time, I'm sure.

Molly Segal [00:30:02]:
You know, I know I've got an.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:30:03]:
8 and 10 year old, but I try to incorporate them into my practices. Like, they've done like Brain Tap. They've done different things. Yeah.

Molly Segal [00:30:09]:
Awesome. No, I love it.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:30:11]:
That's great. That's great.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:30:12]:
Yep.

Molly Segal [00:30:13]:
I use. Actually, I was talking to Alex, Remember we were talking about this just the other day, that. How I use the brain tap. I actually use the brain tap in my transition between work and then picking up my child. Amazing because I find that transition between, you know, work, biopacking. Go, go, go. Boom. And now you're into mommy mode.

Molly Segal [00:30:36]:
It's very, like, jolting. Like, it's like. It's like all of a sudden you're like, oh, like, mommy, where's my pencil, Mommy, where? And then you're like, oh, let me get out of this, like, world and all this stuff. And now I'm, like, looking for pencils and I'm looking for whatever and driving gymnastics and, you know, so it's like, for me, that, like, the mindset, just like Alex was saying, is so important and. And using those tools more than anything, I think I would recommend the most for people, even if it's just not a brain tap. Brain tap just gets you there so fast, which is what's amazing about it.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:31:10]:
But have you guys tried the visor, the neurovisor? I'm obsessed with that now.

Molly Segal [00:31:14]:
Yeah, I haven't tried that one specifically, but I.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:31:16]:
We.

Molly Segal [00:31:17]:
I almost did at a biohacking conference. How is that one better?

Alexandra Cochrane [00:31:20]:
It's more powerful.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:31:22]:
Yeah. They trained. So what. What BrainTap does is that it trains, like, a certain brainwave, like alpha or theta or delta. Right. So you're, like, being trained within that one also because of the acoustics as well. Whereas VISOR is looking more around brain signal variability, which I think is such a cool concept, is relatively new in terms of people getting to know about it. It's like the HRV for your brain.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:31:44]:
And so what it's doing is, like, actually with the pulsating light, which is a quick entry point to your brain, is creating a bit of, like, brain training chaos because the lights are always flickering, they're different. And so it's like a mental brain workout. And you notice the effects not only directly after, but they are ongoing thereafter as well. I've interviewed a couple of times also on podcast. Garnet is amazing, like, super knowledgeable. And what was really interesting as well, last year, MIT brought out research around pulsating light. And to show that it's actually clearing amyloid plaque in the brain light. Pulsating light is clearing the amyloid plaque in the brain.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:32:24]:
And they're actually trying to go through FDA approvals for a device as well. So it's around mental fitness and Simulation. I think there's like a. It's just a bit different to what Braintap is focusing on, but super powerful.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:32:37]:
And do you think they are, like, really good in conjunction with each other, like using both of them or you prefer one to another?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:32:44]:
I mean, I'll tell you, Alex, if I had all the time in the day, I'd be, like, going from one biohacking device to the next.

Molly Segal [00:32:50]:
Right?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:32:52]:
Yes, of course.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:32:53]:
Yes.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:32:55]:
That's the tricky part. And actually, with a colleague, we're working on a brain AI thing about brain training and stuff, too, and discussing it, so more to come at a later point, but okay. Yeah, it's really exciting. I think it depends what you're looking to train, where you are. And this is obviously assuming someone's maybe a little bit more advanced and has the different devices a little bit more technical. But if I just had those 10, 11 minutes, I would tend to just focus on the visor. The neurovisor. Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:33:26]:
That said, there are programs in the brain tap that I really do enjoy. So if I want to, like, like, specifically train the, you know, accessing alpha brain waves or even like, delta theta. That said, you can do it with the poly light as well, so. And there's people that are much more expert. Expert on this than me, but that's sort of my humble opinion in this regard.

Molly Segal [00:33:45]:
Okay. Amazing.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:33:47]:
Yeah. So, lady, before we finish here and we go on to round two, which everyone can find again on the Biohacker Blondes podcast, We've got three blondies here. So, yeah, you were discussing mindset, and I think that this is so important, and especially when people hear the term biohacking and they know about protocols that, like, Brian Johnson are doing, and they think it's all about the supplements and doing this and that. But mindset, let's talk about that. And what is mindset for you and how do you cultivate a growth or positive mindset? I'm curious.

Molly Segal [00:34:21]:
Well, for me, like, it really is the journaling that gets me positive in the morning. I'm. I'm doing a practice now where I also do a prayer at the end of it, which also I find is very positive. And I hadn't been doing that before, so, you know, just like, thanking, you know, having gratitude for everything in your life, you know, that's a big one. Just starting to say thank you, thank you, thank you. I think that sets you off for a really positive day. What else. What do you do, Alex? What else is your.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:34:53]:
Well, Wim Hof breathing is really.

Molly Segal [00:34:56]:
Huh.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:34:57]:
What's that?

Molly Segal [00:34:58]:
What do you say?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:34:58]:
Positive.

Molly Segal [00:34:59]:
I said you're a very positive person.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:35:01]:
I am very positive person. Yeah. But I also grew up that way, so I had a little head start. I would say my mother was some incredible human being. Really.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:35:11]:
She's.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:35:12]:
She was so fabulous. She was the Norwegian Viking, and I'm from the Viking stock. So come on, we just do it, right? You just. It's a mentality, and I'm trying to teach my boys. You just do it. Okay. We don't even, like. Okay, you feel tired? Well, just do it.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:35:26]:
But there is a negative flip coin to that, too, because that's also why I probably have Hashimoto's, because, you know, exhausted. Oh, screw that. You just do it. Go out and run anyways, right? You push it. So I push myself a lot. And it's a mindset, and it's obviously, you know, you got to learn to balance that. And I'm still working on that, because I am. I run positive.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:35:50]:
I run high, I would say. I think the breathing is huge. And also I think books are very big in the sense of how you can change your mindset. So, like, my husband, he got me onto a Navy SEAL book, and I read that.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:36:04]:
Which one was it?

Alexandra Cochrane [00:36:05]:
It resonated with me. It's called. It's the Mark Divine. Mark Divine is the Navy seal, and I think it's. Shoot. What is it called again? Oh, I have it here. It's actually under my stack. Oh, it's here.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:36:21]:
This is it. Unbeatable Mind.

Molly Segal [00:36:25]:
That's a good one.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:36:26]:
Yeah. Good name.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:36:27]:
This is a very good one. It's a very good one because. And also. Yeah, what's that?

Molly Segal [00:36:33]:
I said there's nothing like a Navy seal. I mean, think about what they have to go through.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:36:37]:
That's what I mean. If they can do it, I can do it. Like. And again, I think also, Claudia, the thing is, you evolve over time. So everything that happens to you in your life, that is also part of it becomes you, and it also changes your kind of resilience. I'm big into resilience. Right. Trained resilience.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:37:00]:
And doing hard things. It's a good thing. Okay? Yeah. Things shouldn't always be easy. It shouldn't always be easy. Okay. Go out and walk in that hard, cold rain, like, make it hard, you know, I think that's really hard, really important. And Americans like to take the shortcut of always having the easy way.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:37:20]:
An easy way is not always the best way. And also, you got to have some toughness. In order to appreciate the good yin and yang, you can't just have it good. You can't just have it easy. You can't just have it, you know, sunny and beautiful. You got to have some harshness to it, too. It's balance.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:37:38]:
I love it. And where we saw each other last at the pneumonia conference, we had Andrew Huberman speaking there as well, and he was sharing that there was research around centurions and part of their brain. And I'm going to butcher the name, the anterior cortex. It's wrong. I believe it's in the base of the brain somewhere. I don't know if either of you know this actual name, but it was more advanced than your other people. And basically it was trained by putting yourself and uncomfortable are things outside your comfort zone. So you're exhausted from work, you come home, and you still go to the gym.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:38:12]:
And so it's like that, always just pushing yourself. And I agree what you're saying, Alex. You need to find the balance so that you're not burning yourself out, which we've been there. But doing the uncomfortable things that are, you know, they're good for you. You know, you should do them. And not allowing that inner voice of like, oh, look at the sofa. Netflix. And like, oh, I want to.

Molly Segal [00:38:35]:
Motivate problem in the US as well. And I was just listening to Mel Robbins talk a little bit about that, and she. She has this, like, theory. If you guys heard this the whole 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, and then.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:38:46]:
I've heard it, but maybe you could share. Yeah. Because.

Molly Segal [00:38:49]:
So if you're not feeling motivated, because I think it can be hard to be listening to this podcast maybe, and being like, wow, these people are so motivated. They get up so early and they do all these things. And, like, you know, like, I don't think everybody can relate to that necessarily. So it's, like, understandable, you know, like. Like, a lot of people are really unmotivated and. Or they're tired or maybe they're sick or whatever it is. But, like, what she explains is if you. Let's say, let's.

Molly Segal [00:39:13]:
Like the example of laying in bed and your alarm goes off, and it's like you hit the snooze button, right? And you keep hitting the snooze button because you just don't want to start your day. She came up with this analogy of, like, you're. You're a rocket ship. So you have to lay in bed, and you say, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. And then you get up and you go. And she Says that actually it's the. You've already made the decision to go when you start counting. So you get.

Molly Segal [00:39:38]:
Always do it like, it, like it's this amazing thing. So if you're feeling unmotivated in any capacity, like, just sit there and be like. Like, oh, like, I don't want to write this email. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Okay, go.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:39:48]:
Just do it.

Molly Segal [00:39:49]:
Just get there.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:39:50]:
I. Just say it to me. It's more simple than that. I say you just do it.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:39:54]:
It.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:39:54]:
Just do it. Just do it. Take. You don't even think about it. Just bloody do it. That's how I work and that's what I tell to my kids. Just do it. You don't like it, okay, fine.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:40:05]:
It's going to pass. You just do it.

Molly Segal [00:40:08]:
Nothing constant.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:40:09]:
It changes always, right? Yeah.

Molly Segal [00:40:12]:
And Mel.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:40:12]:
It's always Chang.

Molly Segal [00:40:14]:
And Mel was talking about actually the.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:40:16]:
The.

Molly Segal [00:40:16]:
Because that's the Nike tagline. Just do it. Right.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:40:19]:
Yeah, Right.

Molly Segal [00:40:19]:
And she says that that's so fabulous because. And it's the most famous tagline and everyone wears it on their shirts and they do, you know, everything because of the word just. And the word just is like, you know, just me. You gotta. You gotta just get out there.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:40:32]:
Like.

Molly Segal [00:40:32]:
And even. And it sort of acknowledges the fact that it's hard, but just do it anyway. Like, just do it anyway. Like, you know, so it's kind of a cool. It's a really cool phrase and it's why it's so popular. And it's like the best tagline.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:40:44]:
Can I just say something? Can I just say one more thing? Yeah. It's also to find something small in everyday activity that makes you tick and burn. So makes you really excited. You know, whether it's, you know, for me it's exercise. Right. I always look forward to that. So that's kind of like my driver. And you can always like, you.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:41:07]:
You look. Look forward to something and also have a mission, have a passion, have a, you know, something that's driving you. You. That's really important. Right?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:41:17]:
Yeah. And I'd even add to that that if you have a purpose that's bigger than just yourself, it's not like, oh, I'm trying to save for a bag or, you know, something. But actually I'm here to make a big impact in the world and like, help people, whatever. That's the why that will get you out of bed. Even in those dark, cold nights. You're like, I don't want our mornings. Whatever. You have to get up.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:41:38]:
Correct.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:41:39]:
Correct. The purpose, the why?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:41:41]:
Yeah, amazing.

Molly Segal [00:41:42]:
That's the whole reason for the podcast too. I mean, that's why you're doing it, I'm sure. And that's why we wanted, we like to talk. We just talk into the screen and it, you know, and it's like we're just, we're just like, please listen to us, you know, anybody. And that alone is just a reason to do it. Just to feel like we're, you know, I have random like friends from high school who call me, be like, I've been listening to your podcast. I'm like, what?

Claudia von Boeselager [00:42:05]:
Like, yeah, you know, so it's amazing.

Molly Segal [00:42:08]:
Yeah, it's just like kind of cool to like. And they're like, oh, I never knew about this or that. Like, thank you so much. And you get a lot of that kind of feedback, which is just so it just makes you really feel happy and want to keep doing it, you know, 100%.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:42:19]:
Yeah. Molly. Alex. What? How can people find out like where, what you're up to, where can they follow you? Check out websites, et cetera. And we'll link everything in the show notes.

Molly Segal [00:42:31]:
Awesome. Yeah. So I'm@molly-siegel.com so you can book a consult with me. I do free 20 minute consultations and we talk about whatever your health issues are and then we can, we can sort it out and do a bunch of testing and all of that. And then I'm at Molly Siegel Wellness.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:42:48]:
On Instagram and we're obviously the biohacking blondes on Instagram. Yes. And myself, I'm. My website is Scandy Labs IO so Scandinavian laboratories and then. Yeah, and Alexandra Cochrane too on Instagram as well. So Scandi Labs on Instagram really is the mainly. Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:43:09]:
Beautiful. Do you have any parting thoughts or message for my audience before we sign off here today and go on to part two on your podcast?

Alexandra Cochrane [00:43:19]:
Just do it. Just do it. And life is not stagnant. It's forever changing. So if you're in a tough moment right now, it's always changing. We're always evolving and things can change in an instant if you wanted to.

Molly Segal [00:43:37]:
Yeah. And make, just make the decision to change and that is just going to start to propel you forward. Even if it's just one small thing, getting to the gym or lifting a weight or just like, you know, baby steps to get there and, and then you'll get, get excited about something, you know, whatever that is. Even if it's like sewing or what, I don't know, like whatever you want to do, get excited about it and and then share that with the world. Beautiful.

Claudia von Boeselager [00:44:02]:
Well, thank you so much for coming on. So much fun to have you both. Thank you, dear audience, for listening in. And make sure to check out our part two on the biohacking Blondes podcast. Talk to you then.

Alexandra Cochrane [00:44:15]:
Thank you.