Tracy Liang: Today, it's my privilege to interview Claudia. So Claudia von Boeselager, sorry, if I pronounce your name wrong- 

Claudia von Boeselager: Boeselager. Perfect. It's so tricky. 

Tracy Liang: Claudia is passionate about biohacking, healthspan, and longevity. As the founder and host of the Longevity & Lifestyle Podcast, Claudia is on a mission to uncover the strategies, tools, and hacks to help us live better and thrive in all aspects of life.

Claudia's mission stemmed from her personal experience, suffering from a multitude of chronic disease and biohacking her health back. Claudia is a serious entrepreneur, investor, conference speaker, and mentor. She began her career in investor banking at Goldman Sachs, later founding, investing in, and advising startups across the tech space, including health and mactech. Claudia is a futurist, passionate about science, technology, innovation, conscious living, and biohacking to live smarter, healthier, and longer.

Welcome Claudia. 

Claudia von Boeselager: Thank you so much, Tracy. It's such an honor and pleasure to be on today. 

Tracy Liang: Thank you. As I said before, it's such a privilege for me to have this discussion with you, because I know that the topic that we're going to talk about will benefit for so many of us, and for many years to come.

And I have got so many questions already written down I don’t know where to start. How about start from learning about you and a little bit of your childhood and your personal journey? 

Claudia von Boeselager: Thank you, Tracy. And the pleasure's all mine. So I was born in New York and I was born to a German father who had been living 12 years in central America. So already we were a bit mixed up there. And then my mother was born in Ireland, but, kind of, grew up in New York. So I already grew up in a household where everyone's from different places.

No one really knew where they were from. And I guess that was the ongoing theme through my life because, you know, I ended up living in nine different countries, including in Shanghai. I lived in Buenos Aires and around Europe and the US as well. I was in boarding school in Ireland. I went to university at Trinity in Dublin.

By chance, as life would have it sometimes, I heard about this great master's program, which was a three-year master's, a year in Paris, a year in Oxford, a year in Berlin. I was like, this sounds great. I know a bit of French and German as well. Decided to take a year out in-between. I went to Madrid. So I feel like I was pretty good at jumping at opportunities as they came up and trying to live life to the max. So that I guess is a little bit of, sort of, background.

And then, as you said in my bio there, you know, went into the very traditional investment banking. You know, when I graduated from my master's, it was really one of two choices and we were really, kind of, conditioned during our master's to pick either management consulting or investment banking. Not too very health beneficial areas, but that's where my career started.

And funnily enough, you know, growing up, my mum is from a medical background and I was always very passionate about medicine. You know, I was taught from a young age, you never go to a doctor's appointment without a long list of questions. Like, you need to be on top of it. You need to have, like, thought through, you can't just, kind of, rock up and be like, oh, I'm not feeling well, you know? 

So I guess that was my foundation, and interest in science and medicine as well, and really understanding the basis of things. And I went into, then, the tech space and startups, as you read out in the bio, and my health, if you will, started to deteriorate. Thankfully, nothing too major, but it was, like, chronic fatigue, chronic sinusitis, some allergies. One doctor said I had asthma. I was like, I've never had asthma my whole life.

You're saying I have asthma now, I was like, this is just getting ridiculous. Gut issues. And it was, you know, it really all came to pinnacle one day as I was climbing the stairs, and it was a beautiful day, I can remember it very clearly, and, you know, I live mainly in London and, you know, having a beautiful day, you do remember. It doesn't happen often. 

Tracy Liang: Oh yes. 

Claudia von Boeselager: Not like in Australia. And so I'm climbing the stairs and felt like I could imagine climbing Everest. You know, one foot up, next foot up. And it was such an effort to just climb the staircase. And I looked at my watch and I couldn't believe it was not even lunchtime. And I had this "aha" moment. I had a business to run. I had two small kids. And I'd always envisaged myself as a Studio 54 grandmother, at 90 years old out partying at night, and being a really good grandmother during the day. And I'm thinking, I'm mid thirties, what is this? I can't even get up the staircase anymore.

And I thought, you know, is this really the end? Is it just downhill from here? And I decided, you know what, I need to take my health back into my own hands, because if it's like this now, what's it going to be like in 10 years and in 20 years time? So that for me was really my "aha" moment and when I really then just took my health back into my own hands.

I've read hundreds of books. Spoke with different doctors, also, specialists. And coaches. And other biohackers. And ended up biohacking my health back and, so much so, I recently did a glycan age test. I'm not sure if you're familiar with it, but it's the most reliable marker of your biological age - which came back as 11 years younger than my chronological age. So I was like, okay, cool, I'm doing something right. Where a few years ago, I was probably 80 years old, biological age, so I managed to really move it around, which was fun. 

And I guess that journey and that, kind of, suffering I went through, but then seeing the other side, and that amazing benefit of actually having energy, your life back, what you can do with your freed up time, you're not going to doctor's appointment after doctor's appointment, and feeling really unwell, and lethargic, and, you know, not really looking forward to life, to actually being full of energy and excitement and planning and building things.

So that's where I am now. I want to be in service to other people to help them, you know, people that are maybe at the edge of the cliff, looking down and thinking, you know, this is it, and it's all downhill. And actually realize, well, hey, there is a bridge and I'm happy to help you across that. 

So long answer to a short question, but that's kind of part of the journey and part of that, I launched the Longevity and Lifestyle Podcast earlier this year. So I know podcasts well. And it's such a pleasure, obviously, to have different guests on, and an honor to be on your podcast. So thank you for having me and helping to spread the word on living well on what we can do with it. 

Tracy Liang: Yeah, absolutely. That is such a beautiful journey. I mean, I'm somewhere, let's not go into the exact age, I'm somewhere between 30 to 40, but I felt like, I am constantly tired, and I'm constantly fatigued. And I have seven to eight hours sleep. So I'm really conscious of that. 
Okay, that's good. 

So, I mean, that is such an interesting aspect to look at life, isn't it? Because the thing is, now that we're looking at, I don't know what the updated life expectancy right now, but definitely longer than what it used to be even 10 years ago. And now we're talking about not just living longer, because the thing is if you're living longer, but you suffer from all sorts of different health issues then what is the point really, isn't it? 

Claudia von Boeselager: Correct. Yeah. And I think that that's the point as well. And I have people that are like, well, I don't want to be, you know, sitting on a sofa for another extra 20 years. I'm not excited about longevity. I'm like, hang on a second.
You haven't, you know, got the point about it. It's about increasing healthspan. So those really healthy years,. Those middle healthy years, when you're top of your game, full of energy, ready to conquer the world, like, that is what you're extending, right? So I have an ambition to live to 200 in a 20-year-old body, right?

I want to be 90 years old, jumping out of airplanes, climbing mountains, and, you know, why should that psychological barrier or that glass ceiling of age be an issue as long as you actually maintain a really healthy body?

And we have the tools now. I mean, what is alone happening in the last three years in terms of breakthroughs and biotech and technology, things that we can do to - early detection of diseases, but also reversing of some diseases that come up so that so many diseases will be optional in the future. Or even now, if we catch them early. 

Tracy Liang: Yeah, so I think that would be another thing that I was meant to ask you about. What is the future like in terms of, for example, a lot of disease, like dementias, or many types of the cancer, what would be the future like?

Because I'm very fascinated. And I wanted to live, like, in 200 and other, I don't know, 100 years and still healthy. And now, when I look forward, I'm thinking, what would my life be? And the thing is, now the biotechnology and also the medicine space are so much more advanced and it almost feels like, okay, so are we going to be disease-free? 

Claudia von Boeselager: So that would be the ideal case, right? I guess it's not un-possible. I don't know, in our lifetime, if we would see that, but I think with the advances of technology and the exponential growth of capabilities that we are getting to, you know, earlier and earlier detection of things. I guess, to answer your first question around sort of dementia and cancer, et cetera, you know, one of the most incredible things for me is that my mother unfortunately suffers memory loss, dementia, and it's actually reversible. Especially prevention, right?

So prevention is super key. And then early detection is the next step up, right? And so, with my mother, she's on a protocol by Dr. Dale Bredesen, who has written the book The End of Alzheimer's Disease and Reversing Cognitive Decline At Any Age.

And, you know, even just focusing on that for a moment, it's a bunch of different tests that you can do. And what Dr. Bredesen has identified with his team is that dementia and Alzheimer's, and neurodegenerative diseases in general, has about 38 different potential causes. Which sounds like a lot, but this is why there will never be an Alzheimer's drug that will treat it, right?

Because there's different influences. However, if you reverse the main drivers of your specific dementia, this is why personalized medicine is so important because it's so personal, right? 

And let me give you some examples. It's like high mercury levels, you know, there's people still going around with mercury fillings. Like, they need to be removed in a safe way, right? That's toxins going into your body. That's causing- 

Tracy Liang: Oh, absolutely. 

Claudia von Boeselager: Dementia and memory loss. Low vitamin D. If you lived in a house that there was a leak, even, in the wall. If you've got the black mold, right? Those mycotoxins there, they get into the body and they stay. So you have to really detox them.

You know, there's things like head trauma. So my mother's dementia memory loss is actually not because she has the ApoE 4 gene, which is a precursor, or is an indicator of a chance, of developing dementia. I actually have a single copy, but interestingly, not from her, from my father who doesn't have, at 83, any memory loss. Which is amazing. 

Tracy Liang: Interesting.

Claudia von Boeselager: But hers is from head trauma, right? So she had a few unlucky series of events of falls and she was at a gym, someone left a treadmill on, you know, on one of these rows of treadmills. She fell, hit her head. She tripped over a step once, so three or four head trauma incidents. And then also a lack of hormone replacement therapy when she had a hysterectomy in the 90s.

And, you know, just being on top of what we need as a human being. And, you know, women are going to be a little bit different to men as well, but, you know, are we getting the hormone levels that we need? Are we feeding our body the right nutrients that it needs in order to produce the hormones and the energy and things that we need?

And if anything is off balance, to correct that. So for dementia it's, kind of, you know, finding are you on the path already? There are some tests that you can do, and getting on top of it. For cancer, it's also similar, you know? Do you have a family history? What are drivers? Are you in an inflamed state in your body? Reduce the inflammation. Like, what can you do? 

And I think we're living in a time where there's so many beautiful alternatives, you know? I did a food intolerance test, gosh, must've been about 15 years ago. In Germany, actually, at the time. And I apparently had 63, I want to say, different food intolerances. And normally they give you an alternative and it was like pretty much rice and water, rice and water, rice and water. 

And, you know, I laugh at it now. And I know that, you know, these things are also not fully accurate. But, you know, I think if I go to Wholefoods now, and I'm not sure in Australia if you have something similar, I'm sure it's very health food conscious there, but there's, like, edamame pasta. So I can make pasta and it's super healthy. And there's all these really amazing alternatives that are easily accessible. 

So, again, it's about prevention, catching it early. And what I also highly recommend is for people to find a functional medicine doctor, because the blood values, those standard lab values that come back, if you think about, like, you know, where are they from? And who are they standard for? Are they standard for somebody my age and my level? And, like, do you want to live on the lower end of standard, or do you want to actually be in an optimal space? And that's what functional medicine looks at, right?

So they look at being at optimal values. Because why not be in an optimum space? Like, why be on the lower end, where you can fall off a cliff, which I did with iron deficiency anemia. I mean, literally, I had every iron marker was in the red. I wasn't getting enough oxygen in my body because of it. So another tip, you know, just functional medicine specialist, do all the different tests and just keep on top of it, once a year, and just know where you are, and if anything is declining, then, you know, again, get on top of it and turn it around.

So yeah, those are some key takeaways, if you will. 

Tracy Liang: Oh, yeah, there's so many takeaways, I have to listen back and write them all down. I'm so focusing on everything that you said. And it's such a mind opening because we're never taught that way. Nobody taught us that way, and we always have these, I think it's, the mindset that we need to change is, we always think about, okay, so we are sick and then we go to the doctor. We don't actually think about, okay, so what is the underlying issue? The way that I feel. The way that- 

Claudia von Boeselager: Correct. 

Tracy Liang: Why is it that I always feel fatigue. Even I'm getting good sleep. And even I'm eating healthy. So, and the other things that I wanted to ask you, because I was listening and then you spoke about early detection. How early is early? So, because I'm 30 something, so is that early? Or 20 something, it's early. So what do you mean by early? So the listener can have a feel of, okay, so where can I start? Do I start today or do I start five years later? 

Claudia von Boeselager: Honestly, I feel like, you know, there's no better time than today, right?. And in terms of even just establishing a baseline, right? So if you say, you know, I feel like I'm in top health. I'm eating really well. I'm getting enough sleep. I'm doing really well. Why not go and do your annual checkup, ideally again, with a functional medicine doctor, to see are all your biomarkers in an optimal range, right? And that can be a baseline so that, you know, in two years time that a few things have, kind of, fallen off a cliff, you know that that's actually what's happened. 

And I also partially think that the future of medicine will be much better tracking of your personalized health because, at the moment, and, you know, I've lived in different countries, I've got blood tests from Madrid, I have, you know, things over here and it's a snapshot at a certain point of time. And the beauty of it is when you can see a trend happening, right?

So that's what you're looking for as a trend. So by starting today and getting on top of where you are with different things, if something comes up as being, you know, a little bit low, well then you can correct that already. And if everything is great, well, perfect, well done, and, you know, keep it up. But then when you go for your annual checkup, compare against your really great baseline and see is anything, you know, gone off and askew and correct from there. So yeah, no time, like the present, as they say. 

Tracy Liang: Wow. That's a great idea. I think I need to get onto it.

And the other thing is, I feel like, in particular, we are women. Our body just, biologically, very different from men. We have special duties. We carry babies. We deliver babies. We raise babies. And we go through this phrase called "menopause". And how can we actually prepare ourselves for going through our, not to mention our monthly special timing, how can we prepare ourself?

I know you can't explain everything in such a short period of time. So how can we prepare ourselves in a very simple way that we can live a life in a healthier, happier way, even we have so much things that happen in our life or so many important missions? 

Claudia von Boeselager: Very good question. So I think, you're asking me specifically for women. I think there's a kind of a baseline that is both male and female, and then, you know, especially coming, sort of, from the age of 35, and this is an area that I'm getting more into at the moment, with understanding about increasing women's lifespan through dealing with hormone replacement therapy, coming into perimenopause and menopause years.

I think as a basis, one very important point, and obviously they're all interlinked, but one is even starting with mindset, right? So if you tell yourself every day, I can't do it. I don't want to do this. If you have all those barriers that you're putting up around yourself, like, nothing's going to happen.

Like, you need to make the choice. We need to make the choice within ourselves. I want to do this and have your "why", you know? Maybe for some people it's their kids. Other people it's, they want to climb Mount Everest, you know, maybe it's other people, they just want to be able to go for a walk every day. Even that might be a challenge. You know, whatever your "why" is, really get clear on that. And really be cautious of the self-talk you do.

So I think that's, like, the very clear number one is that mindset, that self-talk, and getting clear on your "why", your motivation, right? 

I think the next step is then the nutrition. You were mentioning this also a little bit before. I mean, if you ask your average doctor how much nutrition training they had at medical school, it will be most likely between zero hours and maybe one hour in the five to seven year training, which is just shocking because medicine really is the food you feed your body every single day. 

Tracy Liang: Yeah.

Claudia von Boeselager: And sadly it's not thought about that. You know, and then I was speaking to someone who was at Stanford Medical School and they said, you know, who do you think pays for the medical schools, and it's the pharmaceutical industries. And don't get me wrong, there are medicine that really are lifesavers for many, many people. So it's just, there's so much you can do before you go down that medicine route, I believe.

So you've got the mindset, you're feeding your body foods that it just loves. And I mean, I think everyone, kind of, knows at this stage, you know, it's almost like, go on the outer side of a supermarket, right? Go to the fresh vegetables, you know, the fresh meat, wild caught meat, you be careful that it's organic, non-GMO, and feed your body just beautiful things. And you will notice already such a shift in energy.

And when you have more energy and you've got the right mindset and you're moving more, you're doing more exercise, you already are in a completely transformed state. So you're not in this negative environment where you have no energy and you're not doing any sports, but you're actually feeling strong, you're out and about, you're doing things, you're meeting people, you're having social interactions. You know, you're maybe killing it at work, or your, whatever passion project you're doing, or with your kids. You're a whole new type of mother, right? Or father, for men. 

So I think that those are really the key basis, and together with sleep. So what you were saying with sleep. And sleep was a big thing for me because I was the naive teenager and 20-year-old that, you know, I can sleep when I'm dead, because somehow I was able to manage on, like, three hours a night, and I would still be pretty good the next day. But, you know, after hitting, sort of, mid thirties and especially with kids, like, forget it, right? That's not possible. 

I mean, I wear the Oura Ring, right? So one of the sleep trackers where, you know, I used to, kind of, beat myself up, like, why am I tired again? And I'd be, kind of, annoyed. I'd be, like, aha, because I've had about five nights of only six hours of sleep. So I really work on the routines and things around that to get better.

So again, if you optimize that as well, and you become very aware around that, then specifically for women, and I've had the chance to interview Dr. Louise Newson, who's quite at the forefront of helping women understand how important hormone replacement therapy is. And I'm very excited to be interviewing shortly, the week after next, Dr. Jennifer Garrison of the Buck Institute who is a scientist researching around women's longevity, especially reproductive longevity.

And I think this is such an interesting space, particularly as women tend to have children later and later now. And just to take out that pressure of, you know, I have a few friends, like, if you haven't had kids yet, what are you going to do? And, you know, just to have that equality with men, also, in the workforce and a little bit less the pressure as well. And so, what I'm understanding from these specialists is that what really is happening is that your hormone profile is changing, right? Especially around estrogen, but also progesterone, and even testosterone levels. Women have small amounts of testosterone, but it helps us get through the day.

And I've had years where it was almost on zero, and that's why, hence the exhaustion and everything as well. And there are pretty simple tests that you can do to check your hormone levels. The problem with the current, and I'm, I guess this is a worldwide thing, not just here in Europe, but diagnosis for menopause is that they wait for one year after your last period stopped, and then they diagnose you. But, through GlycanAge, speaking with the CEO there, that actually your biological age goes up about eight or nine years in that one year. 

So your body ages exponentially in a very short space of time if left untreated. And by the typical diagnosis, waiting that long is like, you know, basically throwing years of your life out the window, when, if you proactively get on top of it, and when I get more information I'd like to maybe develop a course or something like that to help people to actually understand.

But if you get on top of it early, and this is, kind of, my mission at the moment, what I'm looking at, in terms of bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, you exponentially expand those healthy years and youthfulness, and brain cognition.

I mean, Dr. Louise Newson gave an example of a patient who came to her, was this high powered lawyer, and she said, look, I've had to quit my job because I just have brain fog all the time, typical menopause symptoms, and, you know, I can't concentrate, I can't perform anymore. So this is it. I have to quit my job. I can't do it anymore. And she had given up her stellar legal career that she was very passionate about. And Louise Newson said to her, she was like, you know, have you gone on hormone replacement therapy? Tried it? And she put her on it for three months. 

When she came back, she was like, I've gone back to my job. She was like, I have a new zest of life. I more energy than I've had in 20 years time. This is absolutely amazing. And I think that it's knowing what the hacks, if you will, are, or what are the things to look out for that are available, but not everyone is trained in this. And that's the point of spreading the word, right?

So that if people know what to look out for, they can then ask their medical professional, you know, is this right for me? Or find one who's maybe trained in this and have that conversation. You know, who doesn't want to be 50 years old running around like a 20 year old? Like, me, please. Yes. You know, and this is what I'm aiming for. And I think it's such a gift. 

And especially if you've got kids. I mean, I'm a totally different mother than I was when I had no energy and I was exhausted all the time, you know? Now I'm almost like the cool mum, we go, we dance in the kitchen to music, and we have lots of fun in the meantime as well. And I think that that's what life is about. So, yeah. 

Tracy Liang: Yeah. That's absolutely, absolutely amazing. I totally agree with that. And also, I think being a mom, I've got a couple of kids that, it's the time that we spend with them that really, it makes a difference. It's not so much about, okay, so we spend three hours, but we can be spending three hours, like, lying down watching a movie on a couch because I'm so busy and so tired, rather than just get up and having fun together. And I think that's a very different experience that we can give to our next generation. 

Claudia von Boeselager: It totally is. And I grew up, you know, my mum had her own business. She actually recruited nurses from around the world, including from Australia, way back when. And she was very, very busy. And my father used to travel as well with work. And that was fine. That was what it was at the time. But now I just really try to be focused and in the present when I'm with them. Obviously the good old devices, right? We're all guilty of it. Just having that away and just being, you know, aware and coming down to their level, and just another depth of quality of relationship. 

And, and sometimes I can just so amazed at these little human beings and, like, what they know, the humor that they have. Like, the funniest things that they say when I'm really listening. And so I've really been trying to work on being a, you know, present mum. And it's not that I have all the time in the world, sadly, not, right? Because I'm building my business and in different things going on, but the time that we do have, I try to really be there, and focused, and present.

Tracy Liang: So what's your secret of balancing these things called life and business? 

Claudia von Boeselager: Oh my goodness. I don't have a secret. I'm definitely still working on it. So I'm always, I'd love to ask you the same question, Tracy, how you manage it as well. 

I think for me, one of the helpful points, again, it's not perfect, right? But morning routine is super critical for me. So I get up extra early and you know, some days at 6am, sometimes 5.30am. I jump on the Peloton. I don't know you guys have it there, but, like, my bike and you can do it with friends as well. So it's fun and accountability. I have my morning priming, which is a mixture of, sort of, breath work, some Qigong visualization, which is super helpful.

And then I have my shower including my cold shower. And I don't get sick anymore. So cold showers are the way to go, if you can bear it. At least at the end for one minute. Do a few deep breaths before, but real game changers. And by 7am, I'm really ready to conquer the day, and I'm fully awake I'm fully with my kids, you know, we have breakfast, get dressed, you know, we'll take them to school, we have nice chats. And, you know, you just start your day in a completely different way. 

So I think by carving out that self care time, even if it means getting up early, and trust me, I'm a night owl, so it was painful, but it's a matter of routine. And you, the benefit is just totally worth it. So having that great start to the day, I think, is one of the keys to having a good balance and having that, kind of, good way to start the day and mental mindset.

And then, you know, just scheduling certain things in. And, you know, having to say no to things as well. So that's also part of what I'm working on is, you know, the art of saying no gracefully. I used to have FOMO and now I'm trying to enjoy JOMO, the Joy Of Missing Out. 

Tracy Liang: Oh, I love it.

Claudia von Boeselager: Right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't always manage it. And especially now coming out of COVID and there's more things on and more things to do, but I think when you get aligned to your purpose and you have your true north, then it's easier to say, okay, is this really in line with my values and what is really a priority for me right now? Or not. And, yeah, through having that alignment, it's easier to, to say no, right? Or, you know, no, thank you. 

And, you know, 'cause it's always, you know, so kind to have invitations and things as well, but again, it's, you know, having that, those priorities and that true north, and having that clarity as well. 

And, also, I think for me, it was that, you know, being at peace with yourself or being happy with yourself, and valuing your own time to think. If you think about, also, where do you add the most value, is it when you're typing an email? Probably not. It's actually probably when you're thinking and using your intuition and your creativity, that's where you're creating a real impact and doing something really unique.

So having time in the day for those moments as well. 

Tracy Liang: Wow, that is such a wisdom. And just to add on that, I actually started the cold shower a month ago. I have to say that is such a game changer. I have to say, I didn't think I could do it. I didn't think, and I did the whole shower, not just the end. I jump in and, oh my God. 

Claudia von Boeselager: Go Tracy! 

Tracy Liang: It's in the middle of winter in Australia right now. I started and- 

Claudia von Boeselager: It's cold, right? 

Tracy Liang: It is so cold. But it's so good for the mind though. I get up in the morning and jump in, and obviously that, you know that jumping in a cold shower has actually made my body a lot warmer than I jump out of the bed. And that one month really changed my whole mentality, the way that I prepare the day, it's really, really cool. 

Claudia von Boeselager: It's beautiful, yeah. And, I mean, anti-inflammation, you don't get sick. I don't feel the cold anymore. I can have window open. People are like, oh, it's freezing. I'm like really? I used to be, like, I'm frozen, I can't feel my hands and my feet. Now I don't feel it anymore. I don't get sick.
It's beautiful. And, I mean, nothing wakes you up like that in a-

Tracy Liang: No, no, definitely not. 

Claudia von Boeselager: Yeah. 

Tracy Liang: No. No. So just before we wrap up, I do want to ask you one business-related question. What is your biggest lesson that you have learned from running your own business? 

Claudia von Boeselager: Ooh. I mean, I've run different businesses as well. I mean, I guess it would come down to finding something you're really passionate about, and then it's not actually work. It's such a pleasure. It's so exciting every day. I mean, okay, yes, you know, there are the emails and the things that you, kind of, have to do, but, you know, if you're able to structure it in a way that you are doing something you love and, you know, for me it's such a passion project, right? 

I mean, I've been there, I've suffered, and I'm here to be in service to other people and help people not have to fall down that cliff in order to get back up again, hopefully, but actually build a bridge and show them how fun it is at the other side.
So I think that that for me is a huge learning in terms of really taking the time to find that passion.

And Joseph Campbell says it so well, you know: "Follow your bliss". Right? Not follow your happiness, but your bliss, right? And I think that people understand the meaning of that word really. And if you can create that, and if you can't, okay, well maybe that's your hobby or your side project, and it's exciting 'cause it, kind of, develops from there.

I mean, I have the podcast, and I'm launching a few online courses now as well - The Three Steps to Biohacking your Health, Transforming your Life and Creating the Unstoppable You. So watch this space. I can share the details with your listeners as well. As well as some online workshops that I'm doing also with some other people in the biohacking and gut health and neuroscience space, because that would be my, sort of, gift to humanity, to try and help as many people as possible, you know, thrive and live to their true human potential, and create a positive impact on the world. So, it's exciting times. 

Tracy Liang: It is exciting. And it's such an honor to know you. Now, I think you need to share with us where we can find you, because I'm sure that, after this podcast, so many of us want to, love to connect with you. And I have to say, I'm sure that the listener can not see you. Do you know, the first time I looked at your picture and I said, she looks so beautiful.

And obviously I'm not gonna show your true age, or your real age, because you wrote it on the description and I'm like, that is no way, no way, zero chance that she is that age. And she looks so beautiful. So I'm sure that we love to connect with you. 

Claudia von Boeselager: Thank you, Tracy.

Tracy Liang: So, tell us where we can find you. 

Claudia von Boeselager: The website is being redone, so I think social media is probably the easiest. So our handle for Instagram is @Longevity - which is L O N G E V I T Y - and - A N D - lifestyle - L I F E S T Y L E. So @LongevityAndLifestyle, which is also on Facebook. We're on LinkedIn. Twitter, we're only just slowly starting to build now as well. Obviously, the podcast, the Longevity & Lifestyle Podcast is on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, et cetera, if you want to hear some of the interviews with the experts as well.

But, yeah, no, I would love to connect with people and, and see how I can help. And as I'm launching the workshops and the online courses, I'm very happy to circle back and share those details with your listeners as well. 

Tracy Liang: Thank you. Thank you so much for your time, Claudia. 

Claudia von Boeselager: This is such a pleasure, Tracy.

Thank you so much for having me on, the pleasure is really all mine. 

Tracy Liang: Thank you.